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Discussion in 'Team Epsilon' started by DaveMcW, Mar 16, 2008.

  1. DaveMcW

    DaveMcW Deity

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    The Innovia War is in full gear, but that doesn't mean we have to let the executive branch run everything. ;) There's a lot of important domestic issues to discuss.

    Fascism vs Plastics: Grabbing Fascism immediately will delay tanks by 3 turns. But if we need the culture slider, the delay may be even longer!

    Great Artist: Start a golden age or culture bomb? The only city I would consider culture bombing is Wheelville. We have so many productive cities that would benefit from a golden age, not to mention the research boost.

    Mighty Bulwark: Should we build wonders, or improvements to boost our watermill commerce, or military?
     
  2. Memphus

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    Convenient the executive branch speaks first....:lol:

    Personally I feel We grab combustion, and see how the war :mad: is treating us. If ALoha or Piffle accept the trade then we have a :) boost for a while.

    *Also Let's not forget dicovery of Combusiton = - 2 :) in our top cities (whale)
    *If aloha accepts the trade, once we discover plastics then it is another - 2 :) (fur)

    On thast note we need to get radio at some point so we can hammer out Rock & Roll & the Eiffle tower (combined :) of 3 )

    Accept we would need another Great person... You need 2 for Regular Civ.
    If we want to wait for Park Place to Pop one (and pray it isn't a GA) then I also like this idea.

    To me wonders should be the primary focus, then military for MP (enough MP and we don't have to switch to fascism, as well as we have more homeland defenders.)

    On that note, I would like to have sistine chapel added to the queue. 3 Turns but then all the cities we are capturing right now can pop borders thier first turn our of anarchy (+4 :culture:) for each Specialist, which this cities can hire :goodjob:
     
  3. DaveMcW

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    Wow, I forgot about the obsolete resources. Fascism first sounds like the only way to go.
     
  4. peter grimes

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    I don't see the big deal about Sistine Chapel. I mean, we can pop borders pretty quickly just by building culture for a turn or three. That's a lot fewer hammers used to achieve the same effect. I'd say we should keep MB on more useful wonders - like RockRoll, Eiffel, etc. But I could be persuaded with a convincing argument.

    Fascism will allow us to build Mt Rushmore, which, as I said before, MB can complete in 2 turns. The military until there is another wonder we want.

    Great Artist: I'd vote for bombing Wheelville. When/where is the next GP due, anyway?
     
  5. Kylearan

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    Hi,

    I hate using great artists for culture bombs - it's useless most of the time, except for real emergencies or culture games. So my vote would be to wait for another GP and then spark a golden age, which would be huge for us.

    Er...Mighty Bulwark can build Sistine's in 3 and Mr. Rushmore in 2 turns? :eek: :goodjob: That's...wow. But I don't see the need for Sistine's...happiness wonders yes, but I'd rather let it build units if no happiness wonder is available than Sistine's.

    -Kylearan
     
  6. peter grimes

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    Sistine Chapel isn't even a Happiness wonder: +2 culture per specialist in all cities.

    In three turns we could build 3 infantry for MP duty :p
     
  7. peter grimes

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    I recall reading [in a strategy article] that there is a way around obsolete resources: once we have plastics, a camp on fur does nothing for us. However, we can still get furs from a civ that hasn't yet discovered plastics. The article was written for single player, but I imagine it works the same in mp. Any idea how to test this, since you can't world-builder mp games?
     
  8. DaveMcW

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    I think it's the opposite, we can keep trading Whales to Piffle but can't use them ourselves.
     
  9. peter grimes

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    You could be right, Dave. I tried finding the article I had mentioned, but I came up empty. :sad:

    Any ideas on how to test?
     
  10. Memphus

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    MB can't build rushmore...
     
  11. peter grimes

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    :wallbash: D'oh! I should have realized that.

    In any case, Rushmore won't take us more than 10 turns somewhere else. Wouldn't that be better than building jails?
     
  12. Methos

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    lurker's comment: Would it be worth it to culture bomb one of the newly captured cities? Unless I'm mistaken, the culture bomb auto wipes out the resistance, so we'd have an immediate productive city.

    I'm not entirely sure on the above, so I may be incorrect.
     
  13. peter grimes

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    You are correct, Methos. The resistance is extinguished immediately, and 4000 culture points are banked to the city. Do units heal faster in a normal city vs. one that's in revolt? :hmm:

    But frequently the cultural boundaries aren't able to push back in the direction the enemy's culture is coming from - hence the need to quickly raze or capture the remaining cities surrounding the culture bombed one.

    But the more I think on it, the more I agree the a Golden Age is preferable.
     
  14. peter grimes

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    I just checked the save, and it looks like Park Place will pop a GP in 5 turns:
    44 :gp: per turn, 405 of 600 :gp:'s in the bank.

    So I think we're better off waiting for a Golden Age. Think of it - GA Battleship and Marines production! :evil:

    I only wish we already had plastics :sad:
     
  15. classical_hero

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    I would say that we wait until we can produce Battleships and Marines before we use up our GS if e do get another different type of GP.
     
  16. peter grimes

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    We currently can produce Battleships and Marines (since we just discovered Industrialism); the Great Person we have right now is a Great Artist.

    The odds on the type of Great Person coming out of Park Place are split between Engineer and Merchant, for the most part.
     
  17. Memphus

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    ok let's go with the golden age then :D
     
  18. Memphus

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    Do we have a tech choice yet?
     
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    Fascism sorry my bad :)
     
  20. DaveMcW

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    Infantry is better than Marines for killing gunpowder units, so we need to keep building them too.

    Maybe build 1-turn marines in cities with 160:hammers:, and cheaper infantry elsewhere.
     

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