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[RD] Donald Trump accuses Barack Obama of illegal wiretap; calls for investigation

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Kennigit, Mar 5, 2017.

  1. Kennigit

    Kennigit proud 2 boxer

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    Well only I am so far, but this can't be taken lightly. All day I've been nearly going into a very crazy place, but there's no way that Trump will ever gracefully resign. And Trump drew the line in the sand here. He's saying Obama was worse than Watergate, and taking the initiative to call for the investigation. The implication of that is there is no way Trump will grant a pardon either, a la the Nixon to Ford transition.


    I never thought a lot of things would happen, but definitely one on the top of my list would be "the forceful removal of a President of the United States". I think this will happen.
     
  2. hobbsyoyo

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    Yeah it can't be taken lightly and I did not intend to give the impression that you or I didn't.
     
  3. hobbsyoyo

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    I'm worried about this too. It's a terrible outcome and sets an awful precedent. But I do agree that Trump won't leave on his own accord - I'm not even sure he'd leave if told that his own party would impeach and remove him as happened with Nixon. However I just can't see his party turning on him which puts the possibility of a military coup on the table. AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGHHHH

    It' really frustrates me that this is even a conversation we have to have. I'm scared.


    We just had one coup wherein the Republican party was able to take the Supreme Court from control of the Democrats illegally and then won the Presidency with the help of a foreign government. They have built and maintained control of the Congress through the use of unconstitutional gerrymandering such that they have won every Congressional contest since 2010 despite receiving far fewer votes in total than Democrats every time.

    We just saw a slow motion coup come to completion and now the only way out is for the perpetrators to come back from the brink of their own accord. Given that a lot of them think they are acting correctly and with the blessing and direction of god and Cheeto Jesus, I don't see that happening.

    So I guess that leaves me hoping for a counter-coup from the military now? And of course the military has been the greatest beneficiary in our society of Republican domination and agree philosophically with their militant approach to foreign affairs so maybe we're asking for too much.

    Absolutely insane times we live in.
     
  4. JollyRoger

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    Trump is just trying to get ahead of what the wiretapping is going to reveal. The request from the wiretap will not have come from the Obama White House.
     
  5. hobbsyoyo

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    So you think there was a wiretap that uncovered illegal or treasonous conversations?
     
  6. JollyRoger

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    I have people that actually have been studying it and they cannot believe what they’re finding.
     
  7. hobbsyoyo

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    I can't tell if you are serious or are mirroring Trump's style of speech.
     
  8. JollyRoger

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    I always take things seriously, but I've never taken it seriously like this. I wish I didn't have to do it.
     
  9. Thorgalaeg

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    So we will find that Trump is indeed a KGB agent. That would explain it all. Like Yeltsin being a CIA agent.
     
  10. hobbsyoyo

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    Was he?
     
  11. JollyRoger

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    I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, OK?
     
  12. Owen Glyndwr

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    I've heard his connections to the mafia (an almost certainty given he was a real estate mogul operating in Vegas and Atlantic City in the 80s and 90s) would be just as damning, and a possible source of the Russian blackmail.
     
  13. Tristan_C

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    http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...etap-rant-betrays-ignorance-of-the-law-214870
    So apparently, it is possible he was wiretapped because a secret warrant was issued? More recently:

    https://heatst.com/politics/president-trump-directs-white-house-counsel-to-find-fisa-warrants/
    All-in-all this could be make for good learning experiences and swamp-draining. Trump made a tactical error by naming Obama in this and using the word "illegal." He will need to learn to be more precise in his tweets. Which are such fun, by the way; I wouldn't want him to stop making tweets. He is single-handedly keeping that stupid company in business, too. Lots of jobs.

    As to swamp-draining, if Trump was bugged or somehow compromised, it would be the doing of some anonymous deep-state slime in the DOJ, and Obama would not have needed to tell anyone to do anything. They'd just have done it without being asked, and no one in particular, least of all the former President, could be held responsible. Furthermore, they can dress whatever they do in the veneer of legality by issuing secret warrants. So you know, it's like what happened in Watergate, except it's a hundred percent legal. "Lawful evil," in D&D parlance. And there can't be any seismic political consequences because Obama has already left office. Still, it could give Trump the leverage to dig further into the bowels of the DOJ and fire some more people. That would be nice.
     
  14. JollyRoger

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    Lock him up!!!!
     
    hobbsyoyo and shadowplay like this.
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    Again I think you are underestimating Trump, blinded by partisanship.

    That multiple US intelligent services already intercept (bug) all international communications is a known fact. Their intercepts at the main telecoms also capture and store national traffic. Several wristleblowers already came out and told you so. Because Obama blessed it and supported a secret court to approve those intercepts, and individuals allegedly with authorized access to them have selectively disclosed (alleged) information to newspapers that happens to be anti-Trump, you now become enthusiastic supporters of the police state?

    The open issue here is whether Trump was specifically targeted, in that the communications of his campaign ware not just intercepted and captured but analyzed and somehow used by opponents. That would be the "watergate". And that has not been demonstrated. But that the communications were intercepted, I have no doubt whatsoever. That people think this in itself is a good thing... that's your problem, really, but you will deserve what you'll get form the kind of state apparatus you are now cheering.

    If you all applied a shred of rationality to the news being published about all this you would understand that the story of the "manchurian Candidate" (or the russian candidate, in this version) makes no sense. Trump now sits at the top of the power structure of the US, a far more powerful country than Russia. The world empire, even if the world has beem moving slowly towards a "multipolar" situation. "The russians" would have no hold on him. Your 17 intelligence agencies have not produced one shred of evidence of any "russian hold" on him. Projection much? This comes out of seeing the US manipulating politics in weaker countries: that works because the US is always in a position to offer something to its surrogates in those countries in exchange for their cooperation; Russia is in no position to offer anything to Trump. The accusations are plainly irrational, a bogeyman initially put forward as an election strategy, and latet reused as an excuse by sore losers to try to justify their defeat. Now it is being put to a new use, as a tool to undermine the new government. Politics as usual? No, because exaggerating, making calls of treason, and failing to provide evidence will have consequences. People get tired of it, remember McCarthy?

    Having cried wold so many times, without evidence and without consequences, the end result will be that the Democratic Party will destroy whatever remained of its credibility after a couple years of these antics. Count yourselves lucky if Trump retaliates now and puts an end to it sooner rather than later. Because if he and the republicans (they won't turn against him) leave that reaction for later, for when the public at large (sans the die-hard loyalists who'll believe in any conspiracy theory) ceases believing anything coming out of the Democratic Party, they'll utterly destroy that party and establish an hegemony over US politics that'll last a couple of decades. Then you'll feel the pain, then they'll have their opening to turn your country into an open corporatocracy, change the constitution, whatever they please.

    I don't know whether the leaders of the Democratic Party are stupid, of whether they actually want to bring this about. And that puts me in conspiracy theory territory, but seeing as they all take money from the corporations...
     
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  16. JollyRoger

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    Trump's no evidence accusations have nothing to do with the long-time surveillance state - I think we can all agree that such a status continued under Obama. Until there is something more than a series of tweets, it is not blind partisanship to assume that Trump is just blowing smoke.
     
  17. Zelig

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    You can't "betray" Trump's ignorance on the law, it's *obvious* he's ignorant on pretty much every subject.
     
  18. El_Machinae

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    What I think is funny is that he's assuming there was some secret conspiracy that Breitbart was able to uncover within months of the alleged event occuring.
     
  19. FriendlyFire

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    Fixed !
    Iam wondering how much of the BS the trumpsters are will to take up the rear end before they realise they are getting it good and hard ?
    Oh well I guess as long as Republicans are doing it, most will continue to justify it.
    The logic that electing a huge Ahole into power to give it to other Ahole washington is working, just remember that the crap rolls downhill and then ends up at the bottom.
     
  20. Owen Glyndwr

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    And, moreover, that he didn't know about this conspiracy despite receiving daily intelligence briefings for a full 4 months now.
     

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