Yes exactly, since you know homosexual does not harm anyone thus stop making a big deal out of it. I know you going to try say that there is STDs and other sexually diseases among gays. The problem isn't homosexually but that people do not use condoms.
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LucyDuke
staring at the clock
I don't see how that's relevant.
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
I'm detecting a huge incoming of:
Moving on, I don't see the harm of allowing openly gays in the US armed forces. Other nations have the same and they have not collapsed.
Moving on, I don't see the harm of allowing openly gays in the US armed forces. Other nations have the same and they have not collapsed.
CELTICEMPIRE
Zulu Conqueror
I'd imagine that sex doesn't feel the same when you use a condom. But I've never done it before.
Dreadnought
Deity
I'm arguing against the "Animals exhibit bisexual behavior, so can humans!" point, by choosing other sections of the animal world that would not be so favorable in modern society.
Mango Elephant
Deity
I responded with that because that Celtic dude implied that being gay wasn't natural.
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
So there is no such thing as gay penguins?
Dreadnought
Deity
Wikipedia only lists penguins in Zoos that exhibited homosexual behavior. I'm not sure of the situation in those zoos, but it could have been a simple "lock the two up and see what they do" sort of thing.
Trajan12
Deity
Except that that's totally not the argument being made. When someone says that homosexuality occurs naturally in certain species, it's always a response to the ubiquitous assertion that homosexuality is not naturally occurring and is almost never used as an argument for why homosexuals should be accepted, but as an argument against a popular argument for why they shouldn't be. IOW, strawman. I hardly recall anyone ever saying that human homosexuality is okay just because animal homosexuality exists. This issue occurs because those who make the "homosexuality is not natural" argument tend to have an inability to distinguish "natural", which isn't even really a concern of this debate, and "ethical" which is.
Also notable is the rather odd tendency of people making this argument to define "natural" not as occurring in nature without artificial influence, which it is, but "leading to reproduction". By that logic, there are a ton of human behaviors which are totally unnatural.
Dreadnought
Deity
On page three, a point was raised that heterosexuality is natural, and the first retort was that homosexuality is also natural because animals display that behavior. I was pointing out the fact that that argument shouldn't really hold, especially considering how humans are vastly different than animals. I mean, if we wanted to live like animals, why have society in the first place?
I'm not denying that animals exhibit homosexual behavior. I think that behavior, especially when translated to humans, comes from a variety of factors, both in the person themselves and in the environment surrounding them.
I'm not sure what you are trying to express here. Natural selection, what I was using as an argument previously, holds both true; it's natural and a result of reproduction. Granted, homosexual behavior is simply the former, but I'd argue that both are comparable.
LucyDuke
staring at the clock
Oh, okay. I find that whole line of argument pretty much beside the point.
warpus
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Humans are animals.
Dreadnought
Deity
Must we really argue in circles? We have all expressed our opinions. Reread the other posts in the thread, which can be used as answers or substitutes to your questions.
warpus
In pork I trust
Not like it even matters if it is natural or not.. so alright
Whiskey_Lord
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I think Jesus sets a pretty good example for an integrated military. He surrounded himself with men and a token female companion.
Gogf
Indescribable
What? The military is not a democracy. That's not how it works. In fact, that's pretty much the opposite of how it works.
phoenix_sprite
King
I think it's the least of America's worries at the moment. I don't see how your army would suffer without DADT, to be quite honest. Most of the arguments for it assume that gay men impose themselves on straight men, which is a erroneous assumption.
My biggest worry though is, why are LBGT people enlisting in the first place? To serve and protect a country that won't even give them equal rights or treat them fairly?
My biggest worry though is, why are LBGT people enlisting in the first place? To serve and protect a country that won't even give them equal rights or treat them fairly?
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Not all choices you make are conscious choices.
There are penguins that have sex with the same sex as they are. Whether the penguins actually consider themselves 'gay' or not remains to be seen. By that I mean we shouldnt attribute animals with human behavior labels. The penguins could be exhibiting that behavior not because they prefer gay sex, but for some other instinctual reason that may nor may not be normal in said penguin.
