Dr kossin #38
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georgjorge
Deity Wannabe
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Thou shalt not doubt the map generator. Thou shalt be faithful to him and believe in his infinite wisdom, and thou will reap great rewards.
vranasm
Deity
You can always worldbuilder it down a few levels
actually now that I see the start I am thinking a lot about this option.. should just "close eyes" when going to WB and saving
CivilizedTiger
Prince
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That looks like a great capital. 
I have a question which always confuses me in starts like these:
I have a question which always confuses me in starts like these:
Spoiler :
Yared
That Guy
Spoiler :
I don't think this is a valid reason to be casual about BFC gems. In the first 20-30 turns research is virtually always a horrible bottleneck depending on what food and military techs you have/need, and the choices you're forced into are what makes starts hard to play well. This very early phase is where BFC gems make a huge difference.
Wow, lovely capital! I'd be looking to increase the happy cap ASAP and grow into those five riverside cottages along with the gems for a great bureau capital. Should handle all the early research quite nicely.
Early IW might be necessary here since it looks like a jungle-heavy start. I always seem to be slower than I would like on jungle starts, be good to see how to pull it off most efficiently.
Early IW might be necessary here since it looks like a jungle-heavy start. I always seem to be slower than I would like on jungle starts, be good to see how to pull it off most efficiently.
Rofl, what a good choice. Lucky you. That means the city number 2 will grab the 2 gems, bananas and ???? This will be a very solid start. Capital is a bit low on hammers in the end but at start it is good enough, especially with all the extra food. This will be an interesting game.
SillyGoat
Warlord
OMG. That's an awesome capital. About the only thing I can see to complain about, is that the corn isn't wet. And that's not much of a complaint.
With this start, I expect to see you take Fusion from Lib.
With this start, I expect to see you take Fusion from Lib.
This looks very nice.
I think we all agree SIP is better but I'm trying to think of the options, anyone care to assist?
Is there any significant gain from settling bananas?
Settling on bananas would net: +1food and option of grasslandforest or river grassland.
SIP nets: +1 food from bananas.
*After border pop: settling 1n will net you 1 more food compared to SIP
After worker+second pop+second improvement is finished (how many rounds?):
You will work gems (settle1n) or the second corn with the option for gems (SIP).
* This is pretty much the window where settling 1n is better.
You'd also have an option for 2x gems+corn pretty early.
On the one hand getting a head start is good even in the long run, on the other, corn is good enough to catch up. How long time does it take for SIP to catch up vs settle1n?
/regards
AndersW
I think we all agree SIP is better but I'm trying to think of the options, anyone care to assist?
Is there any significant gain from settling bananas?
Settling on bananas would net: +1food and option of grasslandforest or river grassland.
SIP nets: +1 food from bananas.
*After border pop: settling 1n will net you 1 more food compared to SIP
After worker+second pop+second improvement is finished (how many rounds?):
You will work gems (settle1n) or the second corn with the option for gems (SIP).
* This is pretty much the window where settling 1n is better.
You'd also have an option for 2x gems+corn pretty early.
On the one hand getting a head start is good even in the long run, on the other, corn is good enough to catch up. How long time does it take for SIP to catch up vs settle1n?
/regards
AndersW
Well this isn't true for long... moving 1N loses the southern corn.
The gems will help get the required techs out earlier yes, but that could also have been achieved with city #2 had there been no gems west.
Sure it's an advantage to get them in BFC but you need a worker/settler pump somewhere in your first 2 cities. Whipping away gems hurts and working gems hurts settler/worker production.
SIP will be a much more versatile capital... being Philosophical I can use it early to spawn 2 GS (and a 3rd from another city), it can also help a lot with worker/settler pumping and then it will have enough food to grow fast via HR to become another crazy Bureaucracy capital.
Mining>BW>Hunting>Archery
or
Mining>Hunting>Archery>BW
or something else. I need to crunch some numbers before deciding.
The last jungle start [Saladin] was lost due to barbs so I think I want to be a bit more careful this time.
The extra worker is interesting but even being Imp I think we shouldn't waste all the forests for expansion. Whipping this capital early on will be faster than chopping... imo no more than ~6 forests should be chopped for expanding here. That includes possible Archers.
The extra forests can be used for... growing (health bonus for a while) or a wonder(s).
TGL and Oracle come in mind.
shyuhe
Deity
You have gems so by improving corn--gems--corn--chop, you can easily do mining--BW--hunting--archery.
Why are early warriors not a good option in this case? The earlier you can get them out the earlier you can go spawnbusting, resulting in less barbs? Also the jungle should help you because it's +50% defense bonus --> warrior vs archer = 50%. On a jungle hill you even have winning odds. But since you're the deity player here, i'll assume you're right. The only question is why?
I'm guessing here.
Seeing as I'm in jungle, there's bound to be quite a bit of land south and north, possibly east and west too.
No clue on AI proximity either of course.
If there's 20+ tiles in a direction without an AI, barbs won't be able to do the job or I'll have to build so much it'll cost a fortune in hammers/upkeep.
After Mining I'll have an idea of the surroundings, if I met an AI or more etc.
Seeing as I'm in jungle, there's bound to be quite a bit of land south and north, possibly east and west too.
No clue on AI proximity either of course.
If there's 20+ tiles in a direction without an AI, barbs won't be able to do the job or I'll have to build so much it'll cost a fortune in hammers/upkeep.
After Mining I'll have an idea of the surroundings, if I met an AI or more etc.
vranasm
Deity
@kossin I tried your map, WBed it so I could play it on prince, leaving everything intact and i think you have to be sick to play it on deity...
But am very eager to see how you will play first 75 turns.
But am very eager to see how you will play first 75 turns
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