1. We have added a Gift Upgrades feature that allows you to gift an account upgrade to another member, just in time for the holiday season. You can see the gift option when going to the Account Upgrades screen, or on any user profile screen.
    Dismiss Notice

Dutch Empire

Discussion in 'Civ5 - New Civilizations' started by Quindo, Oct 21, 2010.

  1. Quindo

    Quindo Chieftain

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2010
    Messages:
    5
    Hey all,

    Being a long-time lurker on these boards, I finally have a reason to post. The reason being the mod I just uploaded:

    DutchMod adds the Dutch Empire to the game!

    Very economy-oriented.

    Leader: William of Orange
    Trait: Eye for Profit: +1 Gold on tiles with at least 2 Gold.
    Special Unit: East Indiaman: Replaces Frigate, 1 extra movement, 1 extra range.
    Special Building: VOC Exchange Bank: Replaces Bank, provides an additional 2 Culture.

    Looking for a civ that's economy-oriented? Look no further.
    Looking for a civ that's loosely based on Dutch historic facts? Look no further.
    Looking for in-game coffeeshops and prostitutes? Look somewhere else.

    Note:
    - The trait is a bit OP still, but any suggestions would be welcome. The feel of the civ I'm aiming at is that of a sneaky, traiterous merchant.
    - Same goes for unique building and unit.

    Spoiler :




    Pottery, get it?



    Find the mod in the in-game mod browser or attached here and don't forget to thumbs-up if you liked it!

    Updated to v.8!
    Any feedback would be appreciated.

    ~Quindo
     

    Attached Files:

  2. Quindo

    Quindo Chieftain

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2010
    Messages:
    5
  3. CivLucas

    CivLucas Governor-General

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2009
    Messages:
    92
    Location:
    Nijmegen, the Netherlands
    What do the UU and UB do? And it's kind of weird that you used the logo of the national football team :p

    some ideas for the trait, keeping in mind that it's often easier to code if it's already in the game:
    - x% of excess happiness added to the money income (like mandate of heaven policy)
    - x% of money income added to happiness/golden age points (otherway around)
    - + x% money in cities with a harbor/seaport (like Humanism policy)
    - + x money from each luxury resources (like Protectionism policy)
    - get extra gold in a Golden Age
     
  4. D712

    D712 Queen

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2010
    Messages:
    528
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    USA
    I tried to use it but it wont show up. Only my Venic one shows up. And I checked the enabled section and they both are selected. Why is it?
     
  5. Quindo

    Quindo Chieftain

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2010
    Messages:
    5
    I updated the original post to show the UU & UB's functions. As for the logo.. Yes I was in a hurry, but I really liked the lion with the flamebreath:p I'll give it a redesign tho..

    I like you're suggestions a lot and thinking about the extra income during golden ages, since it would really suit the dutchies. Maybe it'd be a good idea to change the bank's output from 2 Culture to 2 Happiness for quicker GA's, but then it would be similar to the Satraps Court..

    Thnx for trying it out!
     
  6. Quindo

    Quindo Chieftain

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2010
    Messages:
    5
    Yes, I updated v.8 so that it's compatible with the last patch. Find it attached here or in the in-game browser. Thx for trying!
     
  7. Agent327

    Agent327 Observer

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2006
    Messages:
    16,080
    Location:
    In orbit
    Nice one, Quindo! :goodjob:

    As per the Lion: it´s derived from an old heraldic sign for the Netherlands (although the lion - with or without small breath - might be more appropriate).

    "VOC Exchange bank" is a misnomer: the VOC (Dutch East India Company) was the world´s first to entaminate an exchange (not a bank), which was quickly copied by the English - as was the VOC itself. ;)
     
  8. Lord Alderaan

    Lord Alderaan Chieftain

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2009
    Messages:
    73
    How is this for more balanced?


    UA: Trade Empire: +20% gold in coastal cities.
    UB: Windmolen (Replaces Windmill) bonus: +2 food, +10% Production building Naval Units (on top of the +15% from Windmill itself)
    UU: East Indiaman (Replaces Caravel) bonus: +2 Movement, +3 Ranged Combat


    The Stock Exchange is already in the game. The Dutch just had them earlier then most.

    Windmills were famous for their use as sawmills for shipbuilding and for pumping lakes and parts of the sea dry for use as farmland in the Dutch Republic/Empire.

    This might seem like a huge boost, but both bonusses are minor and the Naval production bonus is only usable in coastal cities.

    The Dutch and English fought many wars for naval supremacy. The Dutch kept their dominance by outbuilding the Brits with money (Trade Empire) and production (Windmolen).

    Technically the Brits didn't have faster ships (Sun Never Sets) nor was the Ship of the Line in any way a unique English ship. But the English trait and UU shouldn't be countered by the Dutch Empire because every nation needs to have unique advantages.

    The East Indiaman really was a well armed, long range, merchant and in no way a replacement or even comparible to real warships (Frigate and Ship of the Line).

    As a replacement for Caravels it is more accurate and works better. The extra movement helps to explore more quickly (just as quickly as the English with their Sun Never Sets). The extra attack makes it superior to other Caravels (the Dutch often overtook Portugues and Spanish colonies).


    Balance:
    The trait only favors coastal cities.
    The unique building is the biggest advantage but cannot be build on hilly cities and is only fully effective in coastal cities.
    The unique unit is a replacement for a militaristically unimportant unit.
     
  9. Immow

    Immow Chieftain

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2009
    Messages:
    2
    How about the "dijk" a special building that gives 1 production on water tiles that are worked on? Given that water tiles produce gold (Lord Alderaan's post) and a bit of production makes coastal cities interesting? Of course building a dijk would be like a small wonder on its self...
     
  10. Lord Alderaan

    Lord Alderaan Chieftain

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2009
    Messages:
    73
    Or how about:

    UB: Polder (Replaces Windmill): +3 food
     
  11. CivLucas

    CivLucas Governor-General

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2009
    Messages:
    92
    Location:
    Nijmegen, the Netherlands
  12. roodbaard67

    roodbaard67 Chieftain

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2010
    Messages:
    2
    First great this mod since I'm dutch so finnaly a reason to register further the last time I did hear the name of Willem van Oranje was it not William of Orange but as I already earlier said His name was Willem van Oranje en niet William of Orange.

    PS:Yes I now,if you translate the name it becomes William of Orange.
     
  13. Tkrens

    Tkrens Chieftain

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2010
    Messages:
    8
    I think its silly how people wish to replace the VOC exchange bank with something like polders or windmills. Why not give all units wooden shoes while we're at it? Instead we might rename it to VOC Trade Office or something. Or make the VOC a national wonder that only the Dutch can build.
     
  14. Gozert

    Gozert Chieftain

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2005
    Messages:
    93
    Location:
    Netherlands
    The 'van Oranje'/'of Orange' is merely a title (since he was prince of the city Orange in France) so it can be translated just fine. He was born as Wilhelm von Nassau.

    Besides, this is an English game... We're not calling Alexander the Great 'Μέγας Ἀλέξανδρος' either, now are we?
     
  15. cairnsy44

    cairnsy44 Gooner - first class

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2006
    Messages:
    619
    Location:
    Vermont
    I think this is a great idea. :)
     
  16. Lord Alderaan

    Lord Alderaan Chieftain

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2009
    Messages:
    73
  17. Tkrens

    Tkrens Chieftain

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2010
    Messages:
    8
    It looks as if you just copied his stuff and changed the intro text and unique building. Also, having the "polder" as unique building severely underestimates the power of the Dutch economy during their golden age.
     
  18. MrWhite

    MrWhite Warlord

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2003
    Messages:
    291
    Location:
    Nice little home in The Netherlands
    I second that! :)
     
  19. Lord Alderaan

    Lord Alderaan Chieftain

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2009
    Messages:
    73
    In case you didn't notice, the VOC Exchange in this mod actually gives a culture boost :p

    It's the trait where both my mod and this mod represent the economic power of the Dutch Republic. And this trait is way OP. In fact my trait is probably also still OP. +2 gold per worked Luxury Resource tile gives a phat economic boost basically from turn one. I might have to balance it.

    You should browse the Civilopedia, I have a decent explanation for my UA, UU and UB. I've added it to the other topic in case you don't want to install and start a game just to read it.



    Also looks can be deceiving I guess. I completely wrote my mod myself, from the ground up. And in fact I used the Mod Guide and Opera's Venice: The Most Serene Republic as reference.

    The ONLY thing I actually took from this mod was the art of the Dawn of Mandkind screen and the icon for William, because tbh they fit SO well with the style of the game I wouldn't be able to find anything better even if I searched for hours.

    The Dutch Civ Icon I made also uses the KNVB logo with a blue background and a orange ring, and that is indeed inspired by the civ icon of this mod.

    If you actually look into the mod you'll see almost everything is different. The UU replaces the caravel. And the trait is very complex. It involves a unique palace that provides a free 'improvement' in every city which then grants the gold bonus per Lux tile. This is the only way to do this without lua/dll.

    I actually had to drop the +20% gold in coastal cities trait because when wonders grant a free building to all cities (i.e. a wonder with 'Counts as a BUILDINGNAME in every city') it ignores requirements like 'Must have river/coast/mountain/nohills/etc'. I made a wonder that counted as a Harbor in every city just to verify that, see here :)
     
  20. Ikael

    Ikael King

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2005
    Messages:
    873
    Nice to see a mod for the Dutch! About ideas for balancing out the mod, what about this:

    UA:

    Lineage of merchants

    The Dutch starts with the commerce social policy tree already unlocked from the beggining of the game. Will gain a free social policy once you hit a 500 gold mark, and another one if you manage to reach 1500. That way you get to represent the Dutch economic prowess as well as their modern social flexibility, while making the player lean towards a more economic - centered style of play.

    UB

    Windmolen. Replaces windmill. Must be built on non - hill terrain. Additional effect: +1 food +1 gold on every worked food resource tile, including the sea ones like fish.

    East Indiamen. Replaces caravel. +1 strenght, flagless when it is on neutral territory (you can sink enemy ships without declaring war to them!).
     

Share This Page