Earth 34 - Elizabeth

[Ignorant Teacher]

Hello forum! After a long absence, I'm back (although the forum itself is a lot thinner). I've finally been able to get Civ running on my Ubuntu so I figured it's time to get playing again.

I'll be playing Elizabeth on the Earth 34 civs map and cripp7's BUG40civs mod. As I'm a lot rusty, I'm stepping down to Emperor and I changed the speed to Epic because normal doesn't play right on Earth maps.

All the pictures are in spoilers to make the page load faster, if someone knows how to make my screenshots lighter on Ubuntu, please let me know.

This is our fearless leader:

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And our start:

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Now, so that no one start thinking "Alright, it's just establishing a foot-hold in Europe and it's just mopping up", there are some rules:
1- English troops cannot attack Europe until we have at least 3 cities in another continent (the same). Africa, America, Asia and Oceania are fair game.
2- We must vassal the whole world to be able to win. Yes, the WHOLE world. Coexisting with China is not an option.

Round 1: A seafaring nation.

I changed some things in the map. Here are my changes:

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1- Huayna gets a way to South America.

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2- So does Pacal.

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3- Ethiopia gets a little more fertile.

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4- Carthage too and they also get horses.

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5- Gilgamesh gets copper and Suleiman gets to move onto the marble plain hill.

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I guess I'll follow joehollywood's dot-map of Britain:
-London,
-York,
-Inverness,
-Plymouth,
-Dublin,
-Reykjavik.

Do you guys agree?

 

[Kadazzle]

Sounds good and interesting. Know where to download the mod so other can play along?

 

[Fleme]

I appreciate your win conditions although I would also have accepted "the sun never sets on the empire", meaning that you would have some white all across the globe but this works just as well.

I urge you not to make the same mistake many earth players do, that is to say skipping events that would seem minor in the grand scheme of things but rather explain your doings and reasonings in detail.

I'm looking forward to this, good luck!

Edit: I'm personally against settling in place, move 1NW and settle on the horse. You won't win a cultural battle anyhow and the original spot is starved for production.

 

[R0gue]

All the pictures are in spoilers to make the page load faster, if someone knows how to make my screenshots lighter on Ubuntu, please let me know.

The ABODE ART program will let you save the screen shot however small or big you want them.

 

[Kid R]

Settling on stone also works pretty well - gets more food in the capital and guarantees the dye.

Looking forward to the game

 

[Fleme]

^ Loses fresh water and some good land. That dye is not an important resource. Horse and Stone are equal in terms of usefulness when they're on grass so there's no added benefit for settling there.

 

[Kid R]

I guess what I really meant was, it guarantees Louis won't put a city on the dye tile, which is very annoying. But just looking at it now there's no reason why it should because the original London site and the stone are equal distances from Louis' dye. It must be when I've settled the stone site in the past I've built one of the stone wonders which is then just enough to keep control over the tile.

 

[Jerrymander]

@Ignorant: You can download GIMP (the GNU Image Manipulation Program) which has some advanced save features, allowing you to save - or edit - your screenshots to be .jpg files, which would cut the file size down from ~1,200KB to ~300KB.

 

[vranasm]

I found Photobucket easiest to use... He rescales images automatically when I upload, so I need only make the screens ingame, upload them and then just copy+paste links...it's really quick

 

[Coffee Mug]

Subscribed. Earth RPCs are always fun, and I'm a little jealous that I can't play the 34-civ mod.

 

[Ignorant Teacher]

Sounds good and interesting. Know where to download the mod so other can play along?

I updated the OP with the links. Earth 34 mod doesn't run on 3.19 so I just use the map.

Subscribed. Earth RPCs are always fun, and I'm a little jealous that I can't play the 34-civ mod.

As I said, I use the 40 civs mod, which runs on 3.19. Give it a try. BUG doesn't work with it, though.

I appreciate your win conditions although I would also have accepted "the sun never sets on the empire", meaning that you would have some white all across the globe but this works just as well.

I urge you not to make the same mistake many earth players do, that is to say skipping events that would seem minor in the grand scheme of things but rather explain your doings and reasonings in detail.

I'm looking forward to this, good luck!

Thanks, I'll try to be as detailed as possible.

The ABODE ART program will let you save the screen shot however small or big you want them.

Couldn't find it. Perhaps it's a Windows program?

@Ignorant: You can download GIMP (the GNU Image Manipulation Program) which has some advanced save features, allowing you to save - or edit - your screenshots to be .jpg files, which would cut the file size down from ~1,200KB to ~300KB.

Thanks, I've downloaded it and now my screenshots are ~90kb.

Edit: I'm personally against settling in place, move 1NW and settle on the horse. You won't win a cultural battle anyhow and the original spot is starved for production.

I guess what I really meant was, it guarantees Louis won't put a city on the dye tile, which is very annoying.

It's not Louis, it's De Gaulle so culture gets easier.

BTW, JFleme, what do you mean by settling on the horse? In my original dot-map, it would go something like this:

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If I settle on the horse, how would I settle the rest of the cities? Like this?

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Although our two British cities would individually be more productive than on my dot-map, we'd lose in overall production because it would be less cities to whip and, if we are to expand to distant (and populated) continents, we'll have to whip. And Scandinavia already has Ragnar there breathing on our necks so no Swedish colonies are possible. Aren't four cities too few to have until Astronomy? If we do get the Great Lighthouse (which I'll definitely try for - if there's a good place to build it, it's in England and Japan), our 6 meh cities will allow us to profit much more.
Or perhaps I'm not seeing the obvious. Can you explain how you'd fit the rest of the cities?

 

[Fleme]

I personally prefer 3 good cities over 5 weak ones but that's just me. Granted, you get more commerce from the 5 but if you're looking for better cities, then 3.

5 has been proven to work and I guess it just boils down to personal preference; You can make it just fine either way. In the grand scheme of things you are starved for happy so that would support having more cities, while smaller.

If you go with 3, you'll have some production in all of them and have certain options as far as specialization goes but with 5 you'll pretty much be forced to Moai Inverness and have other places build things with the whip. The British Isles are so starved for production that it's not even funny.

Writing this, I'm starting to lean towards 5 myself, but I know I'd hate myself for having cities that bad.

Edit: I'm torn. Now that I'm looking at it again I'd say 3. London on Horse, get Mids for Rep and attain a happy cap of 10 in cap (beaver, 11 with Dye) and 9 in other cities. York 1N and Moai it, Dublin for raw commerce and London does the GP farming.

 

[Coffee Mug]

I'd say 5 is better. London can work its full BFC, and serve as a power-capital. York can work the iron and coal, and serve as another production center and unit pump. Moai can go in either Plymouth or Inverness (both can borrow production tiles to build it).

The excess food allows for efficient whipping, and Pyramid-powered specialists almost everywhere. Financial coast isn't terrible, either. It will run out of steam in the mid-to-late game, but by then you'll be settling elsewhere anyways, and/or have corps that make city placement less of a concern. It will also be much harder to build your universities, theaters, etc. with only three British cities.

 

[Ignorant Teacher]

5 cities work really well, but I've done it before. Just for kicks, I'll go with Fleme's (wasn't it JFleme before?) suggestion and build 4 cities: London, Inverness, Dublin and Reykjavik. Expect the first round later tonight.

 

[Fleme]

Fleme is my original nick and was actually my original forum nick here. I had long forgotten about that nick but I did a search on it and realized that it was mine - contacted the site and had it fixed.

And hey, atleast you can blame me for your loss if things go south!

 

[cripp7]

If you want BUG40civs here's the mod updated with BUG4.4

BUG40civs

 

[Barbu]

How do I go about loading both mods?

 

[Ignorant Teacher]

Sorry for the delay, I'm about to play.

Cripp, I'll check your mod out. Thanks for making it available.

 

[cripp7]

@Barbu
just delete the current 40civs mod and rename the new one to 40civs

@IT
no problemo

 

[Barbu]

@Barbu
just delete the current 40civs mod and rename the new one to 40civs

Thanks. what I meant though, is do I have to load the 40 civs mod, then the earth 34 mod one after the other?

Because I tried to and civ4 crashed when I tried to load the earth34 mod