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Eastern European Woes

Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall: Europe' started by cmakk1012, Mar 20, 2018.

  1. cmakk1012

    cmakk1012 Chieftain

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    Two separate strategy conundrums, but both are situated in (North) Eastern Europe

    1. How do you acquire enough culture for Lithuania UHV1? It seems like the answer is to go on a massive conquest spree but it’s difficult to know how or where to expand

    2. If I’m loading Muscovy starts, what’s the best situation to try to get? Strong or weak Poland, Lithuania, Novgorod?
     
  2. gilgames

    gilgames Priest-King

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    I know a little about the first:

    It was long ago, but as far as i remember my tactic was that capitol built Infinit bajoras, got some good rng, all other city built pagan and culture, and i spreaded as thin as humanly possible, and then a bit more. So finally i got it. Then build up economy and also i lost some border city afterward. Weak novgorod is a must. But maybe it was before nov/prussia update. Anyway you push mainly south-east to kiev and any city that not foreign is good. Hope it helps.
    Ps: to do it u realy need some luck...
     
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  3. AbsintheRed

    AbsintheRed Chieftain

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    It has been a long time since I last played with them. The Lithuanian UP might also need some adjustments.
     
  4. cmakk1012

    cmakk1012 Chieftain

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    I’m going to try Lithuania again and see what I can do. It sounds like the name of the game is rapid, rapid expansion, which fits UHV1 and 2.

    On the bright side, I’ve played through most of a Muscovy game—it’s a fun one. Controlling so many cities is a crazy experience, beating up Novgorod and Lithuania (Poland died early) was not too difficult. I vassalized Denmark (peacefully) and Prussia (by war, messed it up by giving them back land because I thought it would still count for the 20 percent). If I trade for Denmark’s Atlantic Access does that work for UHV3?
     
  5. AbsintheRed

    AbsintheRed Chieftain

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    Thanks!
    For the "Warm waters" UHV you need an Atlantic Access inside your cultural borders.
    It's more about establishing a permanent port than about the access itself. So trading for them isn't enough.
     
  6. cmakk1012

    cmakk1012 Chieftain

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    grumble grumble

    Guess I’ll go up against the Ottoman doomstack, then.

    This makes me wish for an EU4-style vassal annexation mechanic lol
     
  7. gilgames

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    Long ago i did it with muscovy, and i went for Istambul as well, since the atlantic coast was way too far and too dense, nor did i have a good costal city to build that much ships. But i doubt that you can do that now. uhv 1 is a close call, and you do need some luck! 20% land is ok, not a big deal, but you are way behind in techs, thats make conquest very harnd/nigh-on in any stage.
     
  8. gilgames

    gilgames Priest-King

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    i tried the Lithuanians, and it seems its the same as i did before. here is a save game to see what i mean spread thin, you can check how it happened. and how to improve. so its a strong tr :)
     

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  9. Osakasayama

    Osakasayama In decline

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    I realized this in the midst of a conquest spree with Lithuania, but can't you just tech / trade for Education and get unlimited Artists out of Apprenticeship?
     
  10. AbsintheRed

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    Sounds like an interesting strategy :)
    Not sure if it's possible in time for the UHV.
    Report back when you finished your game!
     
  11. gilgames

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    I doubt. Just too many crappy cities, slow growth ect. Also few contact to trade with. Most of the neighbours hostile or holds "your future land". So i find hard to trade at all. As you can see, my strategy works regardless, if yu are pushy and get some luck...
    But yes, pls go on, we are curious how does it works!
     
  12. Swarbs

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    1. Lithuania is just conquest, conquest, conquest. +2:culture: per city and you get +1:culture: for every religion so expand as fast as you can whilst staying stable

    2. The key for Muscovy, imo, is a weak or contained Hungary. Novgorod is usually weak enough to be conquered as they lack horses, and Poland and Lithuania can be easily contained. You don't need to conquer beyond Vilnius to get the 20% UHV goal in my experience, just expand all the way north and south.

    Hungary is the one that usually sends an SOD as soon as you come into contact with them if they are too strong. If they are behind the Carpathians and not too strong you should be fine, if they have begun conquering Moldova and Ukraine then worry.
     
  13. Osakasayama

    Osakasayama In decline

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    I've already succeeded when I replied on Saturday :hammer2:
    I traded Education from either Hungary or Venice around 1360, and went from ~1000:culture: to >>2000:culture: by 1386.
    Spoiler Screenshot from 1392 :


     
  14. rfcfanatic

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    Lithuanian culture UHV is similar to Burgundy in my experience. Expanding as much as possible and as quickly as possible is the key.
     
  15. AbsintheRed

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    It will see some changes with the upcoming update.
     
  16. gilgames

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    So there is a new update coming? Good
     
  17. AbsintheRed

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    Yeah, a bigger update is in the works for a while now.
     
  18. Bobby Martnen

    Bobby Martnen Democracy Manifest: CivFanatics 1984

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    Is this the update with Sicily?
     
  19. AbsintheRed

    AbsintheRed Chieftain

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    No, it's mainly about wonders, UPs and UHVs.
    It also has some important bugfixes and nice UI updates. And fixes/balancing changes for the stuff reported here in the forums in the past few months.
    Hoped to finish it on this weekend, but still not quite there yet, have to postpone it a little bit more.
     
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  20. Bobby Martnen

    Bobby Martnen Democracy Manifest: CivFanatics 1984

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    3 suggestions for this
    1. Give France an addition settler, archer, and Catholic missionary at start - their first UHV is tremendously difficult, and way to RNG-luck dependent.
    2. A lot of civs start with fewer missionaries than settlers - please add missionaries as needed to balance with the number of settlers
    3. Please make Silesia potentially Stable for Germany - there's no reason for it not to be, as it was German until 1945
     

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