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Will Ebbsfleet flourish under MyFC?

  • Yes, they'll be promoted!

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • It'll be about the same.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • It's going to be a disaster.

    Votes: 2 50.0%
  • Who cares? It's only Ebbsfleet.

    Votes: 1 25.0%

  • Total voters
    4

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"Own the club, pick the team."

That was the slogan, coined in April this year, that launched MyFootballClub, a groundbreaking internet-based project with the stated aim of buying a football club and transforming its fortunes.

The cost? £35 a year. The philosophy? Members would vote on every key decision – from picking the side to signing players to ground improvements – hoping that "the wisdom of crowds" would propel their team to previously unimagined glories.

The reaction? By August, more than 50,000 people from Motherwell to Melbourne, Sydenham to Sydney and all points in between had registered an interest. Already around 20,000 people, in more than 70 countries, have actually paid up.

Members voted on which club to try to buy. Most leading choices – Leeds, Nottingham Forest, Cambridge United, Accrington Stanley, Halifax – were discounted by MyFC's organisers. Not for sale. Too expensive. Too much debt. Not enough potential.

Then clubs began to approach MyFC, rather than vice versa. Nine have been considered, from League One to the Blue Square Premier (aka the Conference) and below, all wanting to be taken over. As The Independent exclusively revealed yesterday, one has now been chosen.

Hence the Kent-based Ebbsfleet United, ninth in the Conference table and with a half-decent chance of a stab at promotion to the Football League for the first time in their history, are about to become the epicentre of the most extraordinary – and controversial – ownership experiment in the game's history.

Forget "in the net", think internet. Forget offside, think online. Forget fanzine, think forum, and far-reaching. Even before yesterday's announcement, MyFC had more than 10,000 paid-up members based in Britain and Ireland, 1,400 in the US, 500 in Australia, 366 in Norway, 281 in Sweden, 75 in the Netherlands, 25 in Japan, and others as far afield as China, Vietnam, Tonga, Qatar, Malawi and Panama. The 21st-century model of club control has arrived.

Now here's the rub. Liam Daish, Ebbsfleet's manager, is self-confessed "old school". The former Republic of Ireland international defender, 39, whose clubs include Birmingham and Coventry, has had managerial mentors from Barry Fry to Ron Atkinson to Jack Charlton. It is hard to imagine Fry or "Big Ron" or Charlton being told on a Friday that a web-based poll had concluded 4-1-3-2 was the way to go on Saturday, and here's the personnel, and would you have a think about your blog follow-up while you're at it? Actually, it's hard to imagine them fathoming a web-based poll or a blog at all.

Speaking exclusively to The Independent yesterday, Daish explained how he thought such managers might view MyFC, and its stated policy that members will pick the team. "The old school would turn their back on it, think it's a negative idea," he said. "And I see myself as old school."

And yet, incredibly, Daish has given his pivotal backing. "I'm not going to lie and say there's no trepidation," he said. "But [MyFC] is an exciting thought. Totally new. I'm looking forward to where it can take us, hopefully in the right direction. This isn't just some off the cuff idea, it's totally revolutionary. I might be old school, but I like to mix in new ideas."

Daish and MyFC's organisers – including its founder, Will Brooks, a former football journalist – stress that the project, by its very nature, will be a "work in progress". But the members, after a "bedding-in" period, will each vote for 11 players to play each match, and MyFC's computer will calculate the XI for Daish to field. Daish will pick substitutes, and make all in-play decisions.

Members will suggest transfer targets. Club executives will negotiate deals but members will ultimately get a "yes" or "no" vote to sanction them. A vote to rubber-stamp the takeover itself is expected to be a formality.

After due diligence and legal work, the takeover should be complete by Christmas. MyFC will take an initial 51 per cent controlling stake with an option to buy the rest later. Ebbsfleet's current owners, led by the chairman, Jason Bottle, will not profit directly from the sale. Rather MyFC's cash will be used to clear some debt and the major shareholders will pass over a large chunk of their holdings in exchange. All current staff will keep their jobs, and the directors – unpaid – will remain as part of the set-up, with no executive powers. All major decisions will be made by MyFC members on a one-member, one-vote basis.

MyFC already has a kitty of more than £700,000. It is thought that somewhere between £250,000-£350,000 will be used initially to secure the controlling interest (through debt clearance) and pay legal fees, with more due later. Daish could theoretically have as much as £250,000 to spend in the January transfer window, on fees or wage commitments, which would be huge in a division where transfer fees are rare and a player's pay is typically £300 TO £400 a week.

Daish only informed his players about MyFC yesterday. He got a "positive" response. "I see more positives than negatives. The players' profile will increase. People around the world will know who they are. The players can dismiss it, or embrace it – and I think they'll embrace it, all of us in this together."

Daish admits that the financial windfall helped to sway him. "It gives us the chance to compete," he said. "We've tried everything to improve attendance, profile, fan base. Unless there was some Russian guy turning up with millions, we needed something different. This is different. This is all about shared responsibility from the top of the club to the bottom, not just team affairs. It's about what to do with the training ground, whether to get a new roof, anything and everything. It's more than just picking a team on a Saturday."

Ebbsfleet, who changed their name from Gravesend & Northfleet in May – for reasons unrelated to this project – play at Stonebridge Road in Gravesend. Average home gates are around 1,000. The club is sponsored by Eurostar, which will use the new Ebbsfleet International station, due to open next week. The club's existing Supporters' Trust backs the MyFC buyout. To judge by fans' forums yesterday, some supporters are wary, most are cautiously optimistic.

Daish wants no division between "old" fans and "new". "I want people to come to games, whoever they are," he said. "This shouldn't be like Monty Python, with the Judean People's Front, the People's Front of Judea, the Popular Front of Judea and that nonsense. I want participation, interaction."

Ebbsfleet's next game is at Oxford, on Saturday. The club should be under full MyFC control by January.

http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/news/article3157741.ece

What do you think will happen to Ebbsfleet? Personally, I think that this has the potential to be a disaster - football clubs find it hard to keep a select few major shareholders happy a lot of the time, so 20,000 worldwide investors could be a stretch; and Internet fora tend to be a breeding-ground for differing opinions. When your money is going towards your opinion, then you expect it to be fulfilled, and if it isn't, then you back out.

Even so, this promises to be interesting. The Blue Square Premier has got quite interesting recently, what with Peter Taylor taking over at Stevenage Borough and now this.

And the most important question: what team should we buy? :p
 
well you know in today's hockey if you look at some decision the coach made and what vote I know would be in with the majority i'm thinking we would do a better job.

I mean Today Carbonneau put Tom Kostopoulos on the first line of the Canadiens...I mean that guy should not even play in the NHL, he has 26 goals in 248 games! to be on a first line you have to score at least 35 to 50 goals a season! (82 games) I'm not even talking about some other very very doubtful choices the big majority of people think they were as crazy...I'm guessing its the same in the football world?
 
well you know in today's hockey if you look at some decision the coach made and what vote I know would be in with the majority i'm thinking we would do a better job.

I mean Today Carbonneau put Tom Kostopoulos on the first line of the Canadiens...I mean that guy should not even play in the NHL, he has 26 goals in 248 games! to be on a first line you have to score at least 35 to 50 goals a season! (82 games) I'm not even talking about some other very very doubtful choices the big majority of people think they were as crazy...I'm guessing its the same in the football world?

Yes, I see what you mean: there's less chance, perhaps, of 20 000 people making a crazy decision than of the one coach making a crazy decision. Problem is, a lot of people think they can outthink the coach, but how many actually can?

The coach, for example, has more familiarity with the players. So there may have been a non-playing-related reason for Kostopoulos being on the first line. Now, the internet forum approach also has advantages (it means there's less danger of favouritism affecting team-picking, which may also have been a factor in Kostopoulos playing) but I worry that the Ebbsfleet players will feel that they are playing to impress an invisible entity, rather than their flesh-and-blood coach (who, importantly, can give you a rollicking in training if you don't try hard enough :lol:). Thus, they may not have the motivation to perform well.

Not sure how many parallels you can draw between top-division (I assume) hockey and non-league soccer, though. :p
 
Yes, I see what you mean: there's less chance, perhaps, of 20 000 people making a crazy decision than of the one coach making a crazy decision. Problem is, a lot of people think they can outthink the coach, but how many actually can?

The coach, for example, has more familiarity with the players. So there may have been a non-playing-related reason for Kostopoulos being on the first line. Now, the internet forum approach also has advantages (it means there's less danger of favouritism affecting team-picking, which may also have been a factor in Kostopoulos playing) but I worry that the Ebbsfleet players will feel that they are playing to impress an invisible entity, rather than their flesh-and-blood coach (who, importantly, can give you a rollicking in training if you don't try hard enough :lol:). Thus, they may not have the motivation to perform well.

Not sure how many parallels you can draw between top-division (I assume) hockey and non-league soccer, though. :p

I also see what you think and i totally agree. I didnt think of that...

Well that soccer club isnt in a league? and yes the canadiens play in the NHL here in Canada and are 4th in the league (probably in the world then). Anyway, how hard Kostopoulos work in practice he just doesnt have the talent to be on the first line, we'll see tomorrow.

Also if a player performs during a game and is always one of the best but doesnt even go to practices (i'm thinking or Terrell Owens) would you play him as a coach ?
 
Well that soccer club isnt in a league?

Well, it is in a league, but not in the League. (I should've capitalised the L, really.)

Basically, in England we have the (Barclays) Premiership (or Premier League, confusingly) which contains all the big clubs you may have heard of, like Manchester United. One level below that is the (Coca-Cola) Championship, and then you have Division One and Division Two below that (also sponsored by Coca-Cola). These four leagues make up the Football League.

Ebbsfleet is in the (Blue Square) Premier League, commonly known as the Conference, which is one level below Division Two and so a 'non-League' side. If they win the Conference, or come second or win a play-off for a third spot, then they can be promoted to Division Two and become a League side.

Confusing, ain't it? :lol:

and yes the canadiens play in the NHL here in Canada and are 4th in the league (probably in the world then). Anyway, how hard Kostopoulos work in practice he just doesnt have the talent to be on the first line, we'll see tomorrow.

I don't know anything about hockey, so I can only agree with you as regards Kostopoulos. However, it's possible to draw parallels to (Barclays :lol:) Premiership footballers, like Didier Drogba or Benjani Mwaruwari, who've been complete lame ducks for seasons but suddenly, through the persistence of coaches in playing them in the side, become brilliant players.

Also if a player performs during a game and is always one of the best but doesnt even go to practices (i'm thinking or Terrell Owens) would you play him as a coach ?

Hmm, interesting one. As a coach, I don't think I would, or at least, I wouldn't play him as often as he feels he deserves to be played. This is by way of discipline for not taking the game, his club or (most importantly) his teammates seriously.

As an internet-forumgoer picking a team, though: how could I not choose one of the team's best players? That's another problem - not only is there little motivation to perform well, there isn't as much discipline if you don't put enough effort in in training.
 
I'd say lets buy a club somewhere in Europe and name it CFC F.C. jejeje. Well this seems to be a great experiment, its like a real-life Football Manager game. I hope it works, this could really change the future of football.
 
so this soccer club is like in the 5th division !? we dont have low hockey league like that here...we have NHL- AHL - East Coast league - LNAH (or other regional low talent league) and the teams doesnt change league.

and how old is that drogba? Sure it happens that old players nobody wanted suddenly became top scorers of the league like Martin St-Louis, Daniel Briere, John Leclair and some others but i can name them on my hand...

the big difference though is that in hockey the lame ducks will play 10 minutes compared to 20 minutes for the best fowards. so we already know very well what they are capable of. but if you promote a lame guy on the first line (composed of 3 fowards) the other 2 will not produce at all...less points, less salary, less icetime and friction with the coach or a trade...
 
I'd say lets buy a club somewhere in Europe and name it CFC F.C. jejeje.

Interviewer: "So you've just beaten Barcelona, how does it feel?"

CFC FC Player: ":spear:"

so this soccer club is like in the 5th division !? we dont have low hockey league like that here...we have NHL- AHL - East Coast league - LNAH (or other regional low talent league) and the teams doesnt change league.

That makes sense. England's a lot smaller than Canada, so chances are we won't have so many brilliant football teams as Canada does hockey teams.

and how old is that drogba? Sure it happens that old players nobody wanted suddenly became top scorers of the league like Martin St-Louis, Daniel Briere, John Leclair and some others but i can name them on my hand...

the big difference though is that in hockey the lame ducks will play 10 minutes compared to 20 minutes for the best fowards. so we already know very well what they are capable of. but if you promote a lame guy on the first line (composed of 3 fowards) the other 2 will not produce at all...less points, less salary, less icetime and friction with the coach or a trade...

Drogba and Mwaruwari are both 29. And I do see what you mean about hockey, I think: using the 'lame duck' player inhibits the playing time and thus the experience and skill of 'better' players.
 
That makes sense. England's a lot smaller than Canada, so chances are we won't have so many brilliant football teams as Canada does hockey teams.



Drogba and Mwaruwari are both 29. And I do see what you mean about hockey, I think: using the 'lame duck' player inhibits the playing time and thus the experience and skill of 'better' players.

a lot smaller but more people...thinking to it we almost have 4 "divisions" and a junior hockey league...we can compare

not only better players but young and good prospect players that could develop. anyway on RDS.ca the site asked "do you agree with the coach decision to put Kostopoulos on the first line" 10 810 people answered

79% say No

only 21% say its a good decision...

and i believe they are out of their minds.

at what age in soccer do players develop? or have to be good so teams make them play as prospect?
 
not only better players but young and good prospect players that could develop. anyway on RDS.ca the site asked "do you agree with the coach decision to put Kostopoulos on the first line" 10 810 people answered

79% say No

only 21% say its a good decision...

and i believe they are out of their minds.

Herein lies the problem of internet forum-based club ownership, IMO. 21% is a minority, but 21% of 10 810 people is still a fair few, and if these 10 810 people were in charge of the club, then what would the 21% whose opinions were not listened to think?

Personally, if I was paying for upkeep of a club but felt that my opinion wasn't being listened to - about playing Kostopoulos on the first line, say - and was being called 'out of my mind' as well (not an attack on you, of course, but tempers will flare in such situations), well, I'd just pull out of the deal. Why pay £35 a year not to be listened to?

Of course, if the rest of the 21% thought the same way, then the club stands a chance of going into financial difficulties.

at what age in soccer do players develop? or have to be good so teams make them play as prospect?

There isn't really a set age. There are players in the Premiership who are 18-year-olds, and there might be a few 16-17-year-olds in there as well (there probably are in the lower leagues and non-League clubs). Brilliant soccer players can develop at a very early age (Wayne Rooney, for example).
 
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