Okay, every SG in this forum is about winning the game, no matter how difficult that looks at any given point of time. Well, I'm a little bored of winning all the time. I want to lose a game. Of course, doing that would be the simplest thing in the world - so of course there will have to be some restrictions. Put it simply, the aim of this game - if it's at all feasible - is to not only deliberately lose the game, but to push a chosen AI into winning the game, hopefully with a VC of our choice. VCs that would be good to lose by: - Space or UN, obviously. - 100k - a little trickier to set up. - 20k - now that would be impressive. - I'd rather not lose by Domination or Conquest. Things we could do to help: - Building a Wonder and gifting it to the AI! - Giving them every tech we research. - Fighting wars on their behalf, and returning to them any of their cities lost to other Civs. - Gifting them resources, luxes, gold, RoP, MAs, whatever they need. What we shouldn't overlook: - Making sure we're strong enough to cover our backs, do our own research, etc. We have to be able to help our chosen friend out with whatever we choose, after all! Choice of Civ: - A Scientific Civ would be handy, for increased SGL chances (so we can build cool stuff for our friend) and obviously the free era-advance tech, to give away. - Any other trait would be fine, though Commercial could be handy. I'd go for Korea or Greece. Level & map: - Emperor, standard, continents, 70%, random weather, age, barbs, and opponents. So, how silly does this concept seem? Can it be done? Would anyone want to give it a go? Or am I just stark raving bonkers and in need of medication? Neil. P.S. I probably won't be starting anything 'til after the Easter w/e - I'm away from (way to early on) Friday morning, until Monday evening (GMT/BST).