Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

[Voidwalkin]

President Biden can invoke the law at any time to force them back to work for 80 days in a one-time 'cooling off' period.

I feel like politically he shouldn't do that.

Unless there are meaningful price increases, the risk of frustrating workers who already believe the dems too academic is probably greater than the anger of people frustrated by price increases.

There's not really ah absolutely winning move, of course. How it goes when you're the man in charge.

 

[Sommerswerd]

President Biden can invoke the law at any time to force them back to work for 80 days in a one-time 'cooling off' period.

*90 days* IIRC, but yes he could theoretically do that.

I think it would be a very bad move to do that right before the election, because it will be portrayed as union busting, siding with the corporations, etc. A better move would probably be to come out in favor of the Longshoremen. If Biden can be seen as helping to negotiate an end to the strike, it will probably be more politically beneficial than forcing the Longshoremen back to work.

I think the timing of this strike is to force exactly that... Biden can't force them back to work and has to be seen as taking the side of the union, particularly with the election happening in just over a month.

 

[JollyRoger]

Maybe Trump can get egged into a Your Fired rant over the situation

 

[Sommerswerd]

I still laugh every time I see that "They're eating the dogs!" clip ... Trump is such a ridiculous buffoon. Its really preposterous that he was ever President and is actually running for President again as a major party nominee.

Meanwhile... 538 no longer has any poll in their aggregation that has Trump ahead. Harris is leading in all of the polls they are counting.

 

[Kaitzilla]

I'm not sure the dockworkers will be able to stop the automation of ports in future decades?

NAW CEO calls on Biden to end union's 'premeditated attack' on US economy: Locked 'back in the Stone Age'

National Association of Wholesaler-Distributors CEO Eric Hoplin criticized President Biden for refusing to intervene in the port strike by invoking the Taft-Hartley Act.

www.foxbusiness.com

Appearing on FOX Business, NAW head Eric Hoplin told Maria Bartiromo the union's push to ban automation at gates and for cranes moving containers and unloading cargo is "unrealistic."

"Look around the globe. Look at the Port of Shanghai in China, one of the busiest ports on the planet: fully automated cranes, fully autonomous vehicles, moving everything at lightning speed in China. Same thing in Singapore. Same thing at Rotterdam in the Netherlands. By the way, Rotterdam started moving to automation 30 years ago. We're already three decades behind," he said.

Unionized dockworkers at East and Gulf Coast ports contrarily argue a shift to automation would result in job loss.

It looks like this is the end result:

The big companies made $billions during COVID.
I imagine this is a major thing they want to spend all that money upon?

The Teamsters issued a strong press-release supporting the striking dock-workers.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/teamsters-stand-international-longshoremens-association-021200854.html

 

[SemiLazyGamer]

Trump has rejected 60 Minutes program's traditional interview with presidential candidates scheduled to air at 8 pm EDT on October 8th.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1841236651994915183

 

[Cutlass]

I'm not sure the dockworkers will be able to stop the automation of ports in future decades?

NAW CEO calls on Biden to end union's 'premeditated attack' on US economy: Locked 'back in the Stone Age'

National Association of Wholesaler-Distributors CEO Eric Hoplin criticized President Biden for refusing to intervene in the port strike by invoking the Taft-Hartley Act.

www.foxbusiness.com

It looks like this is the end result:

The big companies made $billions during COVID.
I imagine this is a major thing they want to spend all that money upon?

The Teamsters issued a strong press-release supporting the striking dock-workers.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/teamsters-stand-international-longshoremens-association-021200854.html

They won't be. It's a completely unrealistic demand. Not to mention, just wrong for the economy. Evenb many of the traditional friends of labor are unhappy about this.

Strategically, I think they're being stupid. They think the timing overwhelmingly favors them. But it could backfire, and if Trump is elected, they could lose everything. So I think it's both that their demands are entirely off the charts, and their strategy is reckless.

 

[Gori the Grey]

I think I have a cool line for Walz.

Any point in the debate where it's appropriate to reference Trump. E.g. Trump called American soldiers suckers and losers.

Stick in a "or America's Hitler, as some of us call him"

Don't directly confront Vance with it: "You called Trump America's Hitler." He'll have some prepared answer for that.

Just assume him as a part of the group. "Trump--or America's Hitler, as some of us call him--called American soldiers suckers and losers."

 

[Kaitzilla]

The Vice-President debate is happening right now!

 

[Gori the Grey]

From the early going, it looks like it will be a draw. Vance is glib. Walz is authentic. They're both more really on policy than zingers.

Rare that anything in a VP debate would matter and it looks like that here too.

 

[ls612]

Feels to me like Walz has been on the defensive for much of the debate.

 

[Ajidica]

Yeah, Walz hasn't been great. Vance comes off as sleazy but also confident and comfortable.

 

[Gori the Grey]

But not pronounced enough to make a difference in a VP debate. It'll be a draw. What most commentators will say is they talked more substantively than the prez candidates. Moves the needle not at all.

 

[Sommerswerd]

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I think I have a cool line for Walz.

Any point in the debate where it's appropriate to reference Trump. E.g. Trump called American soldiers suckers and losers.

Stick in a "or America's Hitler, as some of us call him"

Don't directly confront Vance with it: "You called Trump America's Hitler." He'll have some prepared answer for that.

Just assume him as a part of the group. "Trump--or America's Hitler, as some of us call him--called American soldiers suckers and losers."

I think invoking Hitler would be a third rail.

Walz is killing it right now on the issue he has been waiting the whole debate for... the ACA and Republicans wanting to repeal it, particularly pre-existing conditions.

 

[Gori the Grey]

"Damning non-answer" and "why Mike Pence isn't here" means that Walz got the mic drop.

Still, a draw. Vance is glib. Some see through it and it's a negative. Some don't and it comes off as confidence and competence.

Won't move the needle. Would take a lot for a VP debate to do so in any case. This moved no one.

 

[GenMarshall]

Stick in a "or America's Hitler, as some of us call him"

The less “Reductio ad Hitlerum” the better. Godwin needs to start charging royalties for invoking his law for the past decade or so.

 

[Takhisis]

Yeah, but it also includes the "most people don't know what a phone app is" craziness.

In a technical way, he's right for the entirely wrong reasons. Even he doesn't know what a software application is.

Pointed out on twitter but the comp here is not actually the Purge: a movie in which police were disempowered from intervening against (ostensibly) indiscriminate violence for a certain time without regard for target or outcome. Rather, Trump is proposing that police (and sympathetic private citizens) be enjoined to unleash maximum violence against a select group of private undesirables. It's Kristallnacht.

I was thinking more of those times when the KKK went and killed undesirables and then local law enforcement swore them in retroactively as deputies/auxiliaries for the day and then they claimed it was legitimate force and/or citizens' arrest.

The less “Reductio ad Hitlerum” the better. Godwin needs to start charging royalties for invoking his law for the past decade or so.

You might not know this, but ‘America first’ was the slogan of the pro-Nazi movement in the 1930s and '40s that tried to keep the USA out of WWII.
And Donald Trump claims that Nazis are good people, so there's that, too.

 

[Core Imposter]

I guess the truth is in the grave, the rumor that my German grandfather was beaten up for his German leanings the night he died of a heart attack. It could have happened but probably not, 1940. Everyone involved would have been workers in the textile mill. Not likely in a small town, right? Basically, at that time there was no interest in fighting the Germans.

Do you think the United States should declare war on Germany and send our army and navy abroad to fight?
Gallup, May 18-23, 1940 (German invasion of France)
Yes 7%
No 93%

Which of these two things do you think is the more important for the United States to try to do–to keep out of war ourselves or to help England win, even at the risk of getting into the war?
Gallup, June 27-July 3, 1940 (France is defeated and Great Brittain alone defended the West)
Help: 35%
Keep out: 71%

Which of these two things do you think is the more important for the United States to try to do–to keep out of war ourselves or to help England win, even at the risk of getting into the war?

Gallup, Sept. 19-25, 1940 (US draft is instituted)
Help 52%
Keep out: 44%

I doubt that my grandfather could have suffered a fatal beating in 1940 even if he had as big a mouth as his grandson. After Pearl Harbor it might have been different.

I think it made perfect sense to keep America out of the war. But the sanctions on Japan did the trick and will eventually get us in WW3 as well, unless we develop some common sense and elect a peacemaker rather than a random DEI hire last minute replacement candidate that is offering the country an opportunity to be nuked for meddling economy, which means something but has nothing to do with the unfolding conflict. Clearly Trump's policies are in the best interest of the country if you think it is in the best interest of the people for us to avoid the war, especially the nuclear part.

So, is the timing of this strike part of the Democratic plan? Is this the October surprise? How does this play out? Trump should let everyone know that this strike would have never happened if he were in the White House.

Moderator Action: Please stop trolling. leif

 

[GenMarshall]

You might not know this, but ‘America first’ was the slogan of the pro-Nazi movement in the 1930s and '40s that tried to keep the USA out of WWII.

It was actually coined by President Woodrow Wilson in his pledge to keep the US neutral and not involve itself in World War I in his 1916 campaign. So not really a slogan of a pro-Nazi movement when the slogan was coined while Hitler was in the hospital recovering from being wounded by an exploding shell in the Battle of the Somme on October of 1916.

You have my permission to scream 'WILLLLLLSON!!!" off the top of your lungs.

 

[Core Imposter]

The America First Committee (AFC) was an American isolationist pressure group against the United States' entry into World War II.[1][2] Launched in September 1940, it surpassed 800,000 members in 450 chapters at its peak.[3] The AFC principally supported isolationism for its own sake, and its varied coalition included Republicans, Democrats, farmers, industrialists, communists, anti-communists, students, and journalists – however, it was controversial for the anti-Semitic and pro-fascist views of some of its most prominent speakers, leaders, and members.

America First Committee - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I guess it is plausible that Gramps belonged to this. I need to check his date of death.