Elon Musk: Force for anthropic advancement or self-serving con-artist?

Not sure which thread this belongs to, but Musk gave an interview and claimed that the hacking attack came from addresses in "Ukraine" ^^

He is still extremely rich, of course. Tesla stock would need to lose a multiple of what it lost for him to ever begin to be in money troubles - due to what he owes and exposure to fines/lawsuits.
 
Kyriakos said:
Not sure which thread this belongs to, but Musk gave an interview and claimed that the hacking attack came from addresses in "Ukraine" ^^
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I think this is exposing his ignorance and/or lying. In any sort of competent DDoS attack, which this clearly is, the requests are coming from a botnet of compromised computers. They are likely to be from all over the world, but if they are all from Ukraine the most likely explanation is that these are victims of Russian state level hacking, and so they are also responsible for the twitter DDoS.
 
the anti-hacking defence of Starlink when it arrived on the front was found exemplary by Pentagon . To be emulated , discussed as a landmark in the history of cyberwarfare . The commander of the most famous Ukranian drone unit says they are killing or wounding 20000 Russians a month , the entire range of the military might in the fight , looking forward to raise that to 30 000 . Russians attacking Musk so that frenzied European industrial effort providing the means for 30 or 40 000 ?
 
Samson said:
I think this is exposing his ignorance and/or lying. In any sort of competent DDoS attack, which this clearly is, the requests are coming from a botnet of compromised computers. They are likely to be from all over the world, but if they are all from Ukraine the most likely explanation is that these are victims of Russian state level hacking, and so they are also responsible for the twitter DDoS.
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Musk aside, assuming that the addresses were indeed that, what would prevent anyone (including forces in Ukraine) from presenting those ips?
Not that I seriously entertain the idea of a double false-flag, just saying.
 
Kyriakos said:
Musk aside, assuming that the addresses were indeed that, what would prevent anyone (including forces in Ukraine) from presenting those ips?
Not that I seriously entertain the idea of a double false-flag, just saying.
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To do a good DDoS the requests need to come from as many different IPs as possible. Practically this means a botnet, ie. a load of compromised personal computers. It COULD be the Ukraine military, but that would mean they have compromised a load of domestic computers, which seems less likely that Russia.

There is also that the attack has been claimed by Dark Storm, who are generally considered pro Palestinian with some saying they are also pro-Russian (though I cannot find good evidence of either).
 
Does he have a different name in English? All I can find about him is in French articles about The Prince.
 
Samson said:
I think this is exposing his ignorance and/or lying. In any sort of competent DDoS attack, which this clearly is, the requests are coming from a botnet of compromised computers. They are likely to be from all over the world, but if they are all from Ukraine the most likely explanation is that these are victims of Russian state level hacking, and so they are also responsible for the twitter DDoS.
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I immediately thought the same thing as well. Considering DDoS attacks are perpetrated using botnets, the attacking IPs are of no use to determine the true location of the attackers.

I can't believe that could be ignorance as he couldn't claim so without consulting X/Twitter technical teams at first, and it's impossible for that team to ignore something that is so widely known. At best, that can be a very clumsy attempt from Elon Musk to wrongly summarize what his tech team told him.


Arakhor said:
Does he have a different name in English? All I can find about him is in French articles about The Prince.
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That is Remiro de Orco. In "The Prince", he was appointed by Cesare Borgia to restore order in the lawless region of Romagna. After Remiro brutally achieved his mission, Borgia feared his growing power and made him executed.

I don't believe the comparison is good though, as Elon Musk isn't restoring any rule of law, DOGE mission is actually to destroy it, which is precisely the opposite.
 
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Marla_Singer said:
That is Remiro de Orco. In "The Prince", he was appointed by Cesare Borgia to restore order in the lawless region of Romagna. After Remiro brutally achieved his mission, Borgia feared his growing power and made him executed.

I don't believe the comparison is good though, as Elon Musk isn't restoring any rule of law, DOGE mission is actually to destroy it, which is precisely the opposite.
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That's not really it. Rémy d'Orque restored the law brutally and efficiently, but he wasn't killed due to his growing power (according "The Prince" at least) but rather to deflect the anger of the people about the brutality of the repression on him, rather than his master. Basically it's to throw him as a scapegoat/lightning road once the job is done, so that the ruler can benefit from the good parts of the job while not getting the blame about the bad parts.

I'm not sure how throwing Musk to the wolves would insulate Trump, though.
 
Marla_Singer said:
That is Remiro de Orco. In "The Prince", he was appointed by Cesare Borgia to restore order in the lawless region of Romagna. After Remiro brutally achieved his mission, Borgia feared his growing power and made him executed.
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Thank you! :)
 
he [Doge il Muskelli] is creating a New World Order for God-Billionaires . Those who have attented Trump's inaguaration have lost 210 so billion dollars since the day . They are going to get them back . Greatly helped by European billionaires once the loser laws are made to go away in the name of Liberty . Like ı am totally impressed by the blowing up a Swedish billionaire's tanker ship for carrying fuel for the US Navy . So flashy .

the MAGA , in the light of the usual depictions in the CFC , can not be too bright to care about facts . If they are told the Ukranians are attacking their godgiven rights , they will believe it .
 

Trump says anti-Tesla protesters will face 'hell'​

People protesting against Tesla should be labelled domestic terrorists, President Donald Trump said on Tuesday at a White House media event designed to bolster Elon Musk's electric car company.

Trump sat in the driver's seat of a brand new red Tesla that he said he planned to buy, with Musk in the passenger seat, but did not test drive it.

Demonstrators have targeted Tesla showrooms in recent weeks in protest against Musk's cost-cutting role in Trump's administration.

Trump said they were "harming a great American company", and anyone using violence against the electric carmaker would "go through hell".

The president described the shiny red Model-S, one of a number of Teslas lined up on the White House drive, as "beautiful" but said he was no longer allowed to drive and so would keep the car for the use of White House staff. Current and former presidents are not allowed to drive for security reasons.

He also said he would not want to buy a self-driving model, which Musk said would reach the market next year.

The showcase for Tesla's cars outside the White House came after Tesla's market value halved since its all-time peak in December, sliding 15% in a single day on Monday, before recovering slightly on Tuesday.

Trump said he had told Musk, "You know, Elon, I don't like what's happening to you, and Tesla's a great company."

Musk, Trump's top donor in the election campaign, has been tasked with radically cutting government spending through his Department of Government Efficiency (Doge).

He has instigated sweeping cuts to federal workforce, cancelled international aid programmes, and has voiced support for far-right politics.

That has prompted a backlash among Tesla owners.

"Tesla takedown" protests have seen demonstrators gather outside dealerships, in Portland, Oregon, last week, and New York City earlier in March, with the aim of undermining the Tesla brand.

Organisers behind the protests said on social media that the demonstrations were peaceful, but a few have been destructive with fires intentionally set at Tesla showrooms and charging stations in Colorado and Massachusetts last week.

Asked in front of the White House whether such protesters should be labelled "domestic terrorists", the president said "I will do that", a position later confirmed by a White House spokesperson.

"You do it to Tesla and you do it to any company, we're going to catch you and you're going to go through hell," Trump said.

On his social media platform, Truth Social, Trump blamed Tesla's share price falls on "radical left lunatics", who he said were trying to "illegally and collusively boycott" the firm.

However, stock analysts said the main reason for the poor performance of the shares was fear about Tesla meeting production targets and a drop in sales over the past year.

UBS warned that new Tesla deliveries could be much lower than expected this year.

Lindsay James, an investment strategist at Quilter Investors, said that although there was "an element" of Elon Musk's politics having a "brand impact", there were other reasons for the share price fall.

Ultimately the drop came down to "hard numbers", she said.

"When we look at new orders, for example in Europe and China, you can see that they've effectively halved over the last year," she said.

Sales in Europe have fallen sharply this year. Across the continent, they were down 45% in January compared to the same month in 2024, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association (ACEA).

There has also been a steep decline in China – a key market – and Australia.

Other experts have said Tesla is over-valued, so the fall is seen as a correction, while others have pointed to rising competition from some of China's electric vehicle companies.

Investors are "certainly getting more worried about an economic slowdown too, so the richest-valued companies like Tesla have been hit hardest in recent days", Ms James said.

There have also been concerns that Musk has not been focusing enough of his attention on his firms.

In an interview with Fox Business on Monday, he said he was combining the Doge role with running his businesses "with great difficulty".

Alongside Tesla, his businesses include Space X, which has experienced serious failures in the last two launches of its giant Starship rocket, and the social media network X, which suffered an outage on Monday.

Despite his supportive comments, President Trump's policies so far have been designed to limit electric car sales in the US, including revoking a 2021 order by former president Joe Biden that half of all car sales should be electric by 2030, and halting unspent government funds for charging stations.

Trump's tariffs could also hurt the manufacturer. Tesla chief financial officer Vaibhav Taneja said in January Tesla parts sourced from Canada and Mexico would be subject to the levies and that this could hit profitability.

Tesla's share price fall came against a broader US market slump on Monday as investors, concerned about the economic effects of Trump tariffs and weakening confidence in the economy, sold shares.

Trump's own economic policies on tariffs are also making investors nervous, analysts said.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqjdg4x08ylo
 
I'm sure that'll deter the people he's already in the process of stripping human rights from. Threatening people with nothing to lose has never gone wrong at all!
 
people with nothing to lose always amount to a very small part of the population . Your solution is talking until the economic downturn hurts the credibility . Mass media will be always there to educate the general public about "terrorists" , threats that will not be carried out does not help . Here , something Greek .

 
Well, it's nice of Trump to personally demonstrate to the entire world, that he's just a sleazy car salesman.
 
Seth Meyers made a couple of points on that:

- This crypto friendly president still uses cheques
- He had to have a tesla explained to him as "a golf cart that goes really fast".

Spoiler youtube :
 
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