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Enter the new Arabia

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by The_CatSnack, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. The_CatSnack

    The_CatSnack Chieftain

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    Out with the old:

    And in with the new:

    I like it :) The new trading system will be heaps of fun to play with but for anyone in the know I do have a question: Do trade caravans only refer to land based trade routes? Or does the Arabian UA refer to both caravans AND cargo ships?
     
  2. CivCube

    CivCube Resist.

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    I bet the Ottomans were adjusted to have an equal ability for cargo ships.
     
  3. Glassmage

    Glassmage The Desert Flame

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    I will add the double Oil back in for them :p
     
  4. bdporter

    bdporter Emperor

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    It refers to just the caravans. I also think it would be nice for another old civ to have a bonus to cargo ships.
     
  5. Pouakai

    Pouakai It belongs in a museum. Moderator

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    Maybe England? They did have trade routes going half way around the world...
     
  6. GustavAdolf270

    GustavAdolf270 Chieftain

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    DUTCH! DUTCH! DUTCH! In case you don't understand my point I think the Netherlands should get this ability- perhaps 25% range boost? Their UA needs to be boosted a bit. along with the retained happiness bonus the Netherlands and Arabia would be similar (bazaar) but each having a unique flavor
     
  7. bdporter

    bdporter Emperor

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    I'm leaning more towards the Dutch because England doesn't really need changes with the extra spy.
     
  8. Sikandar

    Sikandar Chieftain

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    Good. The fact that oil was part of their UA was a little disappointing in the first place given the historical breadth of Arabian civilization and the choice of the devs to highlight something that's only been important (in that region) in the last sixty-or-so years.
     
  9. Ikael

    Ikael Chieftain

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    Is this a confirmed information or suggestion / speculation? Because if it is the first, HELL YEAH, I say. Not to mention that it is very similar to some of my suggestions :D

    And yes, the Dutch ought to see their UA revamped too due to the new trade mechanics, seriously. Some ideas for it!:

    East India company:
    Naval trade routes have an increased 25% radious
    +25% gold yield to trade routes with CS, +50% if they are allied CS

    This way you would archieve two things:
    - Representing the naval prowess of the Dutch empire trought history
    - Putting the Dutch in a collision course against Portugal as it happened in the real life, both martime empires competing in order to control strategic trade routes and control of city states
     
  10. HeraldtheGreat

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    Confirmation? (excuse my ignorance)

    If this is confirmed, I had almost the exact same idea. And if this is the standard for "minor" changes, then there is yet hope for India.
     
  11. Triskelli

    Triskelli Chieftain

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    This was mentioned explicitly in the Civil War scenario stream the other day.

    Overall I think this is an interesting change, not enough civs have bonuses to passive religious spread and longer caravan routes makes for more cities to choose from and possibly more gold.
     
  12. CleverFool

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    I think it is quite fitting as Arabia was a trade node both before and after the rise of Islam. And because I'm all about synergy, I think it falls in line with their UB, which is fantastic, and Desert Folklore, which is a Pantheon they are often able to take advantage of.

    I could definitely see a huge benefit of either choosing Just War and spreading it to a nearby Civ, or maybe Religious Unity if the effects apply there as well?
     
  13. ehecatzin

    ehecatzin Chieftain

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    Probably beliefs to spread religion were adjusted as well, coupled with desert folklore, Arabia should be able to spread its religion like wildfire, while making gold at the same time, sounds much more fun.
     
  14. Yzman

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    I understand you can play the game any way you choose but I see you do this for numerous changes... Why do you always say you are going to do changes before even trying the new mechanics? What if they are horribly overpowered with both of those?

    They already said what India's changes were in the same video. India now gets tourism instead of gold from their UB.
     
  15. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    Does this replace the old ability or supplement it?
     
  16. Rajjah

    Rajjah PUG

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    It replaces it or so I was lead to believe
     
  17. Talcove

    Talcove Slayer of Spies

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    The Civil War video? Can we get a link and the time in the video that this was stated?

    If this is true, then that's fantastic! They said that Arabia and a few others wouldn't get completely overhauled. If this isn't completely overhauled, then hot-damn! Imagine the possibility for the other ones that are getting these 'minor' changes. Perhaps, now, India can get the UA it deserves (Though, I imagine that it will still have something to do with population growth/happiness).
     
  18. Byzantine Bomb

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    The Arabian late game has been drastically changed now. No more double the oil to amass a huge military or trade off to warring parties for cash/resources. Now it's a diplomatic I think they'll do better seeking than a domination.
     
  19. Ikael

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    This are great, HUGE news, really. This fundamentally changes Arabia, if this is not "fully overhauled", welp, consider me impressed. Which could be next? My bets are on the Dutch and India, with Germany, the Ottomans and Japan as well if we get lucky.

    Also: I totally called it! Well, almost :p
     
  20. Yzman

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    India's UB was only changed. Its unlikely that any of those others are changing.
     

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