Epsilon Foreign Ministry

[General_W]

Epsilon Foreign Ministry
(Term 2)
Peace is War
Freedom is Slavery
Epsilon is Strength
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Welcome to the center of all Foreign Activities & Intelligence.

Here we'll discuss the what’s going in the world abroad.
Please post all comments and foreign-related discussion here.

Departments:
Department of State
Department of Trade
Department of Intelligence and Analysis
Department of Propaganda

For now – discussion for all department will take place here. We can create separate forums when the necessity arises.

Epsilon Foreign Review:
Turns 1-20​

Turn 2 – 3290 BC:

Epsilon – 37
Aloha – 37
King Kong – 37
Saggioun the Wise – 37
Pifflenatress – 37​

Turn 5 – 3800 BC:

Epsilon – 37
Aloha – 37
King Kong – 37
Saggioun the Wise – 37
Pifflenatress – 37​

Turn 10 – 3600 BC:

Epsilon – 53 (+16)
Aloha – 46 (+9)
King Kong – 46 (+9)
Saggioun the Wise – 37
Pifflenatress – 37​

Turn 15 – 3400 BC:

Epsilon – 64 (+11)
Pifflenatress – 53 (+16)
Aloha – 46 (+0)
King Kong – 46 (+0)
Saggioun the Wise – 46 (+9)​

Turn 20 – 3240 BC:

Epsilon – 64 (+0)
Pifflenatress – 57 (+4)
King Kong – 53 (+7)
Aloha – 46 (+0)
Saggioun the Wise – 46 (+0)

As of turn 20, Epsilon controls 25% of the world population, and 1.2% of the world’s land.
(I’ll be tracking the ups and down’s of this more closely going forward)
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Analysis Highlights:
* On turn 10 (3600BC) Team King Kong discovered Budhism. They converted on turn 11

* On Turn 12 (3520BC) Someone discovered Hinduism. It appers this was team Saggioun the Wise One… although they have not converted. (StWO gained 9 points that turn, Pifflenatress only gained 6 points, no one else gained any)

* Epsilon began the game with 20% of the world population, we grew to 25% by turn 10, and again to 27.27% by turn 15. We had fallen back to 25% as of turn 20.


This update format will change a bit when I run my first full turn. I had to do things a bit different to catch us up to the present.
If there’s any info you’d like to see that isn’t here – please post a request, and I’ll do my best to help!
Also – feel free to offer any insight you have from analyzing these numbers – I’ll be looking to gather the key info together in a special thread as soon as it is warranted.

That’s all for now!

 

[Memphus]

very very nice

Good Job!!!

Maybe we shoudl keep this thread though for you reports / screen shots and have discussion elsewhere? (It looks so clean and professional right now )

Not to mentioend it would be easy to read and catch up

 

[General_W]

Thanks Memphus! Glad you like it.

I'm thinking I'll actually make a new thread for the Department of Intelligence and Analysis that can keep a running log (like above) of everything that's gone on. I'm hoping it can be a long-term thread, that each new CFM can just keep updating for the whole game. I really want feedback on this idea, so here are some more of the specifics of my idea... (borrowed extensively from Fe3333au)

I'm thinking it'll be laid out like this...

Spoiler Not a real update :

* A new post for each and every turn we receive.
* Score comparisons from the last turn (who's moving up, and by how much)
* Significant Demographic Changes from turn-to-turn
* Information based on anything we can see on the map of other Civs
* Summary of foreign trades that we know are happening

Here's what it would look like:
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- Team Epsilon -
Turn 21​

Foreign Headline News:
* Any Big News Headline Here



Score Tracker

1) Epsilon – 64 (+0)
2) Pifflenatress – 57 (+4)
3) King Kong – 53 (+7) up from 4th place
4) Aloha – 46 (+0) down from 3rd place
5) Saggioun the Wise – 46 (+0)

Our Score Breakdown
From Tech: X
From Pop: X
From Wonders: X
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Top 5 Cities / Wonders

1)
2) Epsilon Eridani (down from 1st place)
3)
4)
5)

World Wonders:
* None


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Epsilon Treaties and Trades:

Aloha - No Contact

King Kong – No Contact

Pifflenatress – No Contact

Saggioun the Wise - No contact​

Foreign Trade Analysis:
* Nothing yet


Foreign Treaty/Diplomacy Status:
* Nothing Yet


Foreign Science Status:
* Nothing Yet


World Religion Status:
Buddhism – Founded turn 10 (3600BC) by King Kong - X% of population
Hinduism – Founded turn 12 (2520BC) by ?StWO? – X% of population


Epsilon Victory Status:
% of Population = 25%
% of LandMass = 1.2%
Cities with Legendary Culture = 0
Spaceship Parts = 0



Info Learned from Other Sources:
* It's all in the dark…


The Numbers:

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That's it for this turn!


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At least that's what I'm thinking.
Looking forward to getting feedback and comments on this format.
If everyone likes it. I'll go back and get all the info from turns 2, 5, 10, and 20 – and will do this for every turn from 21 until I retire and pass the baton to the next CFM.

Thoughts?

 

[Memphus]

Yeah that is cool, actually really neat and can help analize the game into mroe depth.

However it is alot of work, and dont' want to burn out trying to pull that off

But I would be in favor of seeing that for sure!!

 

[General_W]

I don't think it will be too much work at all - and it will really help us grasp the big picture of what is going on... and will REALLY help those that can't open the save.

Besides - there's not much to report right now, and I plan to be comfortably retired from the CFM office by the time this becomes a lot of work

 

[peter grimes]

See everyone?.. This is precisely why I said that General_W was eminently qualified and a terrific choice for this positon.

The format seems like a great start, but I'm sure it'll be tweaked as the game progresses.

One thing that I've been hoping we could do is Graphs of data. A graph may make this data easier comprehended:

1) Epsilon ? 64 (+0)
2) Pifflenatress ? 57 (+4)
3) King Kong ? 53 (+7) up from 4th place
4) Aloha ? 46 (+0) down from 3rd place
5) Saggioun the Wise ? 46 (+0)
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[General_W]

- Team Epsilon -
Turn 20​

Peace is War
Freedom is Slavery
Epsilon is Strength
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Foreign Headline News:
* No News is Good News


Score Tracker

1) Epsilon – 64 (steady)
2) Pifflenatress – 57 (steady)
3) King Kong – 53 (steady)
4) Aloha – 46 (steady)
5) Saggioun the Wise – 46 (steady)

Our Score Breakdown
From Pop: 10
From Land: 0
From Tech: 33
From Wonders: 21
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Top 5 Cities / Wonders

1)
2) Epsilon Eridani (Steady)
3)
4)
5)

World Wonders:
* None


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Epsilon Treaties and Trades:

Aloha - No Contact

King Kong – No Contact

Pifflenatress – No Contact

Saggioun the Wise - No contact​

Foreign Trade Analysis:
* Nothing yet


Foreign Treaty/Diplomacy Status:
* Nothing Yet


Foreign Science Status:
* Nothing Yet


World Religion Status:
Buddhism – Founded turn 10 (3600BC) by King Kong - 16% of population
Hinduism – Founded turn 12 (3520BC) by ?StWO? – 16% of population


Epsilon Victory Status:
% of Population = 25%
% of LandMass = 1.2%
Cities with Legendary Culture = 0
Spaceship Parts = 0



Info Learned from Other Sources:
* It's all in the dark…


The Numbers:

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From the desk of the CFM (Chief Foreign Minister):
* Nothing very exciting to comment on here. I’ll be organing an “Inteligence Thread” that will just contain this kind of info without any commentary here as soon as I get some more time. But again – feel free to discuss and comment in this thread – and point out any analysis points that I miss.


That's it for this turn!

 

[General_W]

- Team Epsilon -
Turn 21​

Peace is War
Freedom is Slavery
Epsilon is Strength
​

Foreign Headline News:
* No News is Good News


Score Tracker

1) Epsilon (Huang) – 79 (+15)
2) Pifflenatress (Elizabeth) – 66 (+9)
3) King Kong (Gandhi) – 61 (+8)
4) Saggioun the Wise (Saladin) – 57 (+11) up from 5th
5) Aloha (Catherine) – 54 (+8) down from 4th


Our Score Breakdown
From Pop: 10
From Land: 9
From Tech: 39
From Wonders: 21
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Top 5 Cities / Wonders

1)
2) Epsilon Eridani (Steady)
3)
4)
5)

World Wonders:
* None


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Epsilon International Relations Report:

Aloha / Catherine / Cheif Aloha - No Contact
Creative, Financial, Cossack


Innovia / Saladin / Saggioun the Wise - No Contact
Philosophical, Spiritual, Camel Archer


Piffle / Elizabeth / Pifflenatres - No Contact
Philosophical, Financial, Redcoat


Loco / Ghandi / King Kong - No Contact
Spiritual, Industrious, Fast Worker


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Foreign Trade Analysis:
* Nothing yet


Foreign Treaty/Diplomacy Status:
* Nothing Yet


Foreign Science Status:
* Nothing Yet


World Religion Status:
Buddhism – Founded turn 10 (3600BC) by King Kong (Ghandi )- 16% of population
Hinduism – Founded turn 12 (3520BC) by StWO (Saladin) – 16% of population


Epsilon Victory Status:
% of Population = 25%
% of LandMass = 1.2%
Cities with Legendary Culture = 0
Spaceship Parts = 0



Info Learned from Other Sources:
* It's all in the dark…


The Numbers:

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From the desk of the CFM (Chief Foreign Minister):
* We’ve not only maintained, but expanded our point lead! Way to go Epsilon!


That's it for this turn!

 

[Memphus]

I figured this might help everyone else as well (with all the leader names etc) and possibly this could be psoted in the Foreign Stikied thrad:

Team Aloha ==> Catherine (Russia) ==> Cheif Aloha (Red)
Team Innovia ==> Saladin (Arabia) ==> Saggioun the Wise (Green)
Team Piffle ==> Elizabeth (England) ==> Pifflenatres (White)
Team Loco ==> Ghandi (India) ==> King Kong (Purple)

 

[General_W]

Good idea Memphus!
I'll add that into my updates from now on.



EDIT: and added above... with color!

 

[DaveMcW]

I'm sure Innovia founded Hinduism, unless another team popped Mysticism on turn 1.

 

[General_W]

yeah - I'm sure you're correct.
I've removed the question marks. I'm just bothered by the fact that they haven't converted.
I wonder why?

Maybe they think the other teams aren't paying close attention... little do they know!

 

[Kentharu]

great job with this its like the through the looking glass thread

 

[General_W]

- Team Epsilon -
Turn 22​

Peace is War
Freedom is Slavery
Epsilon is Strength
​

Foreign Headline News:
* No Team gains any points this turn


Score Tracker

1) Epsilon (Huang) – 79 (+0)
2) Pifflenatress (Elizabeth) – 66 (+0)
3) King Kong (Gandhi) – 61 (+0)
4) Saggioun the Wise (Saladin) – 57 (+0)
5) Aloha (Catherine) – 54 (+0)


Our Score Breakdown
From Pop: 10
From Land: 9
From Tech: 39
From Wonders: 21
​

Top 5 Cities / Wonders

1)
2) Epsilon Eridani (Steady)
3)
4)
5)

World Wonders:
* None


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Epsilon International Relations Report:

Aloha / Catherine / Cheif Aloha - No Contact
Creative, Financial, Cossack


Innovia / Saladin / Saggioun the Wise - No Contact
Philosophical, Spiritual, Camel Archer


Piffle / Elizabeth / Pifflenatres - No Contact
Philosophical, Financial, Redcoat


Loco / Ghandi / King Kong - No Contact
Spiritual, Industrious, Fast Worker


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Foreign Trade Analysis:
* Nothing yet


Foreign Treaty/Diplomacy Status:
* Nothing Yet


Foreign Science Status:
* Nothing Yet


World Religion Status:
Buddhism – Founded turn 10 (3600BC) by King Kong (Ghandi )- 16% of population
Hinduism – Founded turn 12 (3520BC) by StWO (Saladin) – 16% of population


Epsilon Victory Status:
% of Population = 25%
% of LandMass = 1.2%
Cities with Legendary Culture = 0
Spaceship Parts = 0



Info Learned from Other Sources:
* It's all in the dark…


The Numbers:

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From the desk of the CFM (Chief Foreign Minister):
* It was a quiet turn on the International Front. No point jumps, no contacts, not much of anything.
Back to sleep…


That's it for this turn!

 

[General_W]

- Team Epsilon -
Turn 23​

Peace is War
Freedom is Slavery
Epsilon is Strength
​

Foreign Headline News:
* Team Aloha (Catherine) Leaps Forward in Points. The Foreign Department suspects they have discovered a new technology.


Score Tracker

1) Epsilon (Huang) – 79 (+0)
2) Aloha (Catherine) – 68 (+14) Up from last place
3) Pifflenatress (Elizabeth) – 66 (+0) Drops from 2nd place
4) King Kong (Gandhi) – 61 (+0) Drops from 3rd place
5) Saggioun the Wise (Saladin) – 57 (+0) Drops from 4th place


Our Score Breakdown
From Pop: 10
From Land: 9
From Tech: 39
From Wonders: 21
​

Top 5 Cities / Wonders

1)
2) Epsilon Eridani (Steady)
3)
4)
5)

World Wonders:
* None


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Epsilon International Relations Report:

Aloha / Catherine / Cheif Aloha - No Contact
Creative, Financial, Cossack


Innovia / Saladin / Saggioun the Wise - No Contact
Philosophical, Spiritual, Camel Archer


Piffle / Elizabeth / Pifflenatres - No Contact
Philosophical, Financial, Redcoat


Loco / Ghandi / King Kong - No Contact
Spiritual, Industrious, Fast Worker


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Foreign Trade Analysis:
* Nothing yet


Foreign Treaty/Diplomacy Status:
* Nothing Yet


Foreign Science Status:
* Nothing Yet


World Religion Status:
Buddhism – Founded turn 10 (3600BC) by King Kong (Ghandi )- 16% of population
Hinduism – Founded turn 12 (3520BC) by StWO (Saladin) – 16% of population


Epsilon Victory Status:
% of Population = 25%
% of LandMass = 1.2%
Cities with Legendary Culture = 0
Spaceship Parts = 0



Info Learned from Other Sources:
* It's all in the dark…


The Numbers:

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From the desk of the CFM (Chief Foreign Minister):
* Sorry this update was slow in coming. Stayed really busy over the long weekend.

* I suspect that Aloha's big point jump is due to discovering a technology. Anyone with more experience than me want to speculate on what it might have been? I don't know of anyway we could tell.


That's it for this turn!

 

[General_W]

- Team Epsilon -
Turn 24​

Peace is War
Freedom is Slavery
Epsilon is Strength
​

Foreign Headline News:
* Pifflentress regains their #2 spot by gaining 7 points.


Score Tracker

1) Epsilon (Huang) – 79 (+0)
2) Pifflenatress (Elizabeth) – 73 (+7) Up from 3rd place
3) Aloha (Catherine) – 68 (+0) Down from 2nd place
4) King Kong (Gandhi) – 68 (+7)
5) Saggioun the Wise (Saladin) – 57 (+0)


Our Score Breakdown
From Pop: 10
From Land: 9
From Tech: 39
From Wonders: 21
​

Top 5 Cities / Wonders

1)
2) Epsilon Eridani (Steady)
3)
4)
5)

World Wonders:
* None


​

Epsilon International Relations Report:

Aloha / Catherine / Cheif Aloha - No Contact
Creative, Financial, Cossack


Innovia / Saladin / Saggioun the Wise - No Contact
Philosophical, Spiritual, Camel Archer


Piffle / Elizabeth / Pifflenatres - No Contact
Philosophical, Financial, Redcoat


Loco / Ghandi / King Kong - No Contact
Spiritual, Industrious, Fast Worker


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Foreign Trade Analysis:
* Nothing yet


Foreign Treaty/Diplomacy Status:
* Nothing Yet


Foreign Science Status:
* Nothing Yet


World Religion Status:
Buddhism – Founded turn 10 (3600BC) by King Kong (Ghandi)- 16% of population
Hinduism – Founded turn 12 (3520BC) by StWO (Saladin) – 16% of population


Epsilon Victory Status:
% of Population = 25%
% of LandMass = 1.2%
Cities with Legendary Culture = 0
Spaceship Parts = 0



Info Learned from Other Sources:
* It's all in the dark…


The Numbers:

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From the desk of the CFM (Chief Foreign Minister):
*2 teams (Piff & Kong) gained 7 points, but I'm not sure it's possible to tell what caused this.


That's it for this turn!

 

[General_W]

- Team Epsilon -
Turn 25​

3000 BC
Peace is War
Freedom is Slavery
Epsilon is Strength
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Foreign Headline News:
* Epsilon Team soars ahead in points! Experts puzzled as to why. Some attribute the gain to the inherent superiority of Epsilon Team.


Score Tracker

1) Epsilon (Huang) – 93 (+14)
2) Pifflenatress (Elizabeth) – 85 (+12)
3) King Kong (Gandhi) – 77 (+9) Up from 4th place
4) Aloha (Catherine) – 68 (+0) Down from 3rd place
5) Saggioun the Wise (Saladin) – 67 (+10)


Our Score Breakdown
From Pop: 10
From Land: 23 (+14)
From Tech: 39
From Wonders: 21
​

Top 5 Cities / Wonders

1)
2) Epsilon Eridani (Steady)
3)
4)
5)

World Wonders:
* None


​

Epsilon International Relations Report:

Aloha / Catherine / Cheif Aloha - No Contact
Creative, Financial, Cossack

Known Towns:
?Aloha Capital? = no ocean tiles in city radius
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Innovia / Saladin / Saggioun the Wise - No Contact
Philosophical, Spiritual, Camel Archer

Known Towns:
?Innovia Capital? = 9 land tiles ( 3 ocean)
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Piffle / Elizabeth / Pifflenatres - No Contact
Philosophical, Financial, Redcoat

Known Towns:
?Piffle Capital? = 10 land tiles (2 ocean)
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Loco / Ghandi / King Kong - No Contact
Spiritual, Industrious, Fast Worker

Known Towns:
?Loco Capital? = 8 land tiles (4 ocean)
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Foreign Trade Analysis:
* Nothing yet


Foreign Treaty/Diplomacy Status:
* Nothing Yet


Foreign Science Status:
* Nothing Yet


World Religion Status:
Buddhism – Founded turn 10 (3600BC) by King Kong (Ghandi)- 16% of population
Hinduism – Founded turn 12 (3520BC) by StWO (Saladin) – 16% of population


Epsilon Victory Status:
% of Population = 25%
% of LandMass = 1.2%
Cities with Legendary Culture = 0
Spaceship Parts = 0



Info Learned from Other Sources:
* From point gains, and the great analysis from Memphus and DaveMcW, we now know a bit more about the starting locations of all the teams.
Aloha (Catherine) +14 = no ocean tiles in city radius
Pifflenatress (Elizabeth) +12 = 10 land tiles (2 ocean)
Saggioun the Wise (Saladin) +10 = 9 land tiles ( 3 ocean)
King Kong (Gandhi) +9 = 8 land tiles (4 ocean)

The Numbers:

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From the desk of the CFM (Chief Foreign Minister):
*I'm not sure why we gained 14 points on our land this turn? Anyone know about how the score is calculated?


That's it for this turn!

 

[Memphus]

From the desk of the CFM (Chief Foreign Minister):
*I'm not sure why we gained 14 points on our land this turn? Anyone know about how the score is calculated?

My guess is because we built a worker. ?

 

[DaveMcW]

Land doesn't count towards your score until you have controlled it for 20 turns.

 

[General_W]

See - I initially was thinking something like what you said DaveMcW, but then - why didn't everyone else see their score jump by 14 points? They've all controled their expanded radius for just as long!