Erdogan: Nato isn't strong enough to stand against Turkey

I am sure the eu will do nothing. Cyprus also is a member of the union, and also in the common currency, but whatever, just give Erdogan 3 billion euros to keep those middle eastern immigrants from reaching the fascist countries ;)
 
So, how long until Turkish Cyprus holds a referendum to join turkey that results in 999,999,999% of the population voting to join the Eternally Magnificent Glorious Super Sultanate of Great Erdoganstan?
 
It's unfortunate that the Turkish people are subjected to Erdogan and his court. They have the capacity of being a strong force of progressiveness in the region but have that position squandered by men with delusions of grandeur.

Why do progressives have trouble understanding that non-progressive, authoritarian leaders can be popular? It's like you think saying it will invalidate your criticism.
 
Why do progressives have trouble understanding that non-progressive, authoritarian leaders can be popular? It's like you think saying it will invalidate your criticism.

The en-masse cullings would generally imply that the leader's 'popularity' isn't as clear-cut as deep-thinking Israeli-American intellectuals would like to argue. If he were as popular as you seem to think, why the need to purge several levels of government and civil service? :)
 
The en-masse cullings would generally imply that the leader's 'popularity' isn't as clear-cut as deep-thinking Israeli-American intellectuals would like to argue.

Why is this qualification here?

If he were as popular as you seem to think, why the need to purge several levels of government and civil service? :)

Because those are controlled by Gulenists/secularists. You seem to assume that Turkey had an impartial civilian government before Erdogan came around, but it always functioned more as patronage networks for political factions. (I'm certainly not claiming that he's morally upright or even that he has the support of a majority of Turks, but denying his very large and committed base of support is definitely stepping into Iraqi Freedom levels of delusion.)
 
Why is this qualification here?

Why do progressives have trouble understanding

Why is this qualification here?

(I'm certainly not claiming that he's morally upright or even that he has the support of a majority of Turks, but denying his very large and committed base of support is definitely stepping into Iraqi Freedom levels of delusion.)

Who denied anything?
 
stars on their courses and it was in my horoscope that ı be ranting on the F-35 . Namely , its glorious integration of electronics mayhaps be a problem and Turkish owned ones could blow up on the tarmac , on the first second of a war . You see , modern jets are extremely reliant on computers ; the trend setting F-16 can actually disintegrate in the air , around the hapless pilot , if the multiple flight control systems disagree . Maybe happened , maybe didn't happen to a Turkish example in early 200s and you know my idea on that . And if it happened it would be only to stress that the invasion of Iraq was to lead to the establishment of a Kurdish nation state and there was nothing we Turks could do about it ...


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there wasn't the slightest "agression" , was solely the opinion . Was not liked . ı wasn't expecting it to be liked , or defended as my Right to Free Speech and tons of fancy words ı don't even know . Was marked ; finally ended up in some thread of 3 women in impossible modes of flight and the like ; that ı was just about to out-design them so many engineers and the like didn't even factor in . Was not offended , saw no issues : The F-35 programme was once referenced as one of a trillion dollars and ı DO have vivid powers of imagination . About the things that might have happened . Those who opposed me and pushed the things that way were real people , whose integrity could be measured , just in the ways the History rates authors and sources , while ı was just a guy on the web . You know , just like am a guy on the web in this forum . Anyhow , as you might imagine those aviation types , even the vast silent majority , had no need to read pieces on how Matt Connely accidentally put a Sparrow on Randy Cunningham and that not only for there are 10 million different books on the Glorious 10th of May [1972] that say nothing of the sort . Americans love so much to brag about the exchange ratio of 12:1 that followed , would never win a popularity contest on why it's like 6:1 . As you can imagine it ended up with me shut up ; and "Peace" followed . With one of the glorious trio of them "defining" me as a Boeing salesbot . Accepted if so , to be respected even when all the hurdles are passed and F-35 gets all the signatures on the dotted line . Have has "done" so , waiting like a full 10 years so that the glorious F-35 can be put to service and kill us all , from a thousand kilometers if need be . (Showing it [the ever glorious F-35] up somewhere is the very official intention , but anyhow .) "Peace" is like this ; nobody likes to hear anything to the contrary . Incredible surprise then , to see the ban was lifted . Let's just avoid it altogether on why the British aviation industry needs contracts and this can only be achieved with an "European" fighter jet and the confidence level required is to be "achieved" with "selling" stuff to people you wouldn't believe . So , incredibly stupid that some stupid idiot by the name of r16 is to sanctify that ; you know , because they are designing a "Turkish" warplane ! Dream on ; only risk of carrying pigs aloft by any airlifter seems to be their urine , acidic substances eating up the airframe . Got shut up again . Still no offence and why should ı ? ı like even named it Quantum Fighter Experimental , without asking payment and the like , right ? You know , after Qatar . One should know not everything involves one and shut up accordingly .


was not surprised at all , because apparently Turks are not worthy of being allies , as can be noticed in this very thread , so the F-35 should not be sold to Turks . ı have been blacklisted by Lockmart with my notion that we would make no issues if the entire thing was annulled (a mere 100 out of 2-3000) and they could like even keep the 100 million US dollars entry fee . Imagine the things that could have happened to me if ı was a real guy , running a forum even . The Republic of 1923 was extremely hard pressed to develop a defence industry , nothing was available unless off-setted to 500% or thereabouts and there is nothing that can stop New Turkey . Call Germans Nazis while simultaneously creating a company to make German tank engines . And with Germans , naturally ...



but then ı have a solid two or three weeks of work to prove that ı do not run the New Turkey behind the curtains .



you know , no nothing can stop New Turkey , while it eats up preferred people of the West , namely the Kurds , rolling up the gains of 30 , 40 years , because the New Turkey can not be sustained without that ...

just yesterday or something . Ankara calls on Trump to make his people behave . New Turkey's Foreign Minister says they have an agreement with Washington that Kurds will retreat from Menbij . Heather Nauert , because in New Turkey everybody knows the name of the spokesperson of US State Department , laughs and says no . New Turkey's Foreign Minister has to eat his words and stuff . Nobody cares for the strategic priorities of Turkey , all that matters is an image of greatness , as if New Turkey is a real power and not an American sock puppet . This is certainly believed to be the case in Washington , because they DO NOT do anything . That round small thing at the end of sentences ? It's called "period" ... ı don't know what Pantagon wants to achieve with all this . Like calling on TV stations to carry on the footage of pillage that took place in Afrin on the first day ? 1984 here , doesn't matter at all , so 70 people who conspired against New Turkey and donned Free Syrian uniforms and plundered the town and they have been all now caught , too . As if the whole world does not hate us Turks already ...


the mouthpiece of the Little Imperialist is an Armenian citizen of this country , a journalist by trade . He warns the "State" and the Party have "allied" . A true piece of BS , because there is no State left out of the Party . Then says there is a 15% in the Party that can be convinced to vote a particular way , then reminds the audience that Mustafa Kemal Atatürk is being replaced in all ways by the PM . PM is the biggest defender of Womens' Rights in this country , because he created the ways for women to cover their heads ; while the chief education official in some small province was in the newspapers . For saying he is so angry to see student girls who still do not cover their heads . You in the West will of course fail to make the connection . Anyone who wants to save Atatürk must ally with the Little Imperialist ; who is truly spooked to see the Jihadist Conqueror image he fancied for himself is being taken over the PM ... Little Imperialist was not the total disaster he is painted to be by the political observers ; he might have lost the first elections of 2015 but he still won the second round . Dutifully employed methods include a classic line about how Islamist suicide bombers can not be arrested before they blow themselves up . After an explosion in Ankara where the Police dutifully followed warnings that there would be an attack and secured themselves by not searching for the bomber and were fully in force on location to teargas and watercannon the protestors after the explosion , like 2 minutes or 5 , ı don't really know . The Little Imperialist' hometown booed those 103 deaths during the moment of silence in some football match , too . Ah , his mouthpiece says the Little Imperialist is a sure bet to save Atatürk ... He got 49% , right ? After making people forget he was best friends with seperatists , as much as the whole A-K-P was , for the West and threatening to start up Death Squads for the East , in addition to the regular voting frauds .


but then there will no more pressing need for such soon . The pinnacle of yellow journalism has fallen , the family that owned that media group has been forced to sell . Party newspapers will now make up 73 to 90% of the landscape now . There surely will be re-adjustments and ı expect the brickhead to be a very early guy to be fired . So , like suddenly , we will learn there are no "Muslim" peadophiles and like totally there have never been . The pinnacle was like 50-50 , you would ignore all the glorious accounts and read the other stuff ; actually why they were so strong about Womens' Rights , now that they really could not criticise the Party but took advantage of the obvious gaps within what the New preached and actually did . Democracy is awesome , you can always get some 80 year old media boss with how supported the February 28th thing , simultaneously giving prison sentences for life to people who were involved with it . Actually to discredit any tears for them , stuff also happened . Back in the good old days it was normal for any news-anchor to get fired if he/she called the Party with its name in initials instead of calling it the "Clean" one . This woman lasted many years after that , treading some careful line . Naturally knows English , so follows foreign channels and says the PM's visit to Washington is not a success . Might be the one where the bodyguards were involved in the fighting . The door , naturally ... So , just days before she is tricked by her own brother who claims to be abducted by the Police and beaten up , the claims quickly to be shot down by CCTV footage ! Employed such losers , if you will , so they deserve becoming Apparatchiks .


it's really relevant to call one to be a man and take stuff seriously . Am not real ; no real power , no real nothing ; hence can not handle stuff . Can you imagine the Little Imperialist's mouthpiece coming to this thread and asking me to save the country ? But ı will level entire continents from one end to the other ; we have ample power generation in the Starfleet and like all the time .


so , it's backfilling , that MiG-15 Bis . First noticed in 1967 , it like assumes was written a decade back on silly stupid premises that the actual MiG-15 Bis was a very poor weapon platform , radar to automatically fire when within range , so heavy firepower and engine stuff to move the bulk . Might actually have been inspired by the picture itself , but the awesome piece of fortune is calling the Foxbat the MiG-25 , while the whole world is saying it's the '23 . Not the intented intention , merely creating a false historical connection but starts some fame ...

ı do use external keyboard and mouse and the like through the USB connections and regularly have issues . Last night's was tougher . Thought it was the news-anchor being mentioned . See , some F-16 of the Army of Petrol crashes at like 18.30 and am just wrapping up this by about 22.00 . And it like totally freezes , like Gotcha! Gotcha! Gothca! Gotcha! Only because the news was released on the web like at 22.00 . Amazing how people have already decided that ı wouldn't ; being much a guns-guns guy , Sidewinder and Sparrow following in descending order . You know , ı haven't even posted it yet ...


not to worry , friends of New Turkey . This is the just retired Governor of some province , adressing 1000 students despatched to Çanakkale for the anniversary . Promising to liberate Musul and Kudüs and all sorts of seperatist held locations . Comes on a day when the 2 senators or Congressman stop their move to sanction New Turkey and the court case against the majority of PM's bodyguards have been stopped . Because it figures , as you know.

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isn't the Spirit of Mankind just great when there is no talkback ?
 
I'm starting to think Erdogan is right. NATO isn't strong enough to stop him. Militarily, sure, NATO could defeat Turkey easily, however there is a complete lack of political will among the other members of NATO to actually escalate things to that point. And that is where Turkey is stronger than the other members of NATO. Right now, they are bullying Cyprus and staring us in the face, daring us to do something about it. And what are we doing about it? Not a damn thing.
 
ı don't know why , but people do insist . On "understanding" what's happening ... You know , of all things , like they have got nothing else to do . Some very junior overheard , on something the "Nation works" . You know , there are two nations in Turkey , one votes for the Party / hence good , one votes not hence / bad . The Nation that has established New Turkey is the smartest , the sturdiest , the strongest . Fit to rule the world and this is proved by the never-ending victories . Only held down by the other , despicable slaves of the West and all that jazz .


the Nation indeed works .

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the junior is most unlikely to have yet heard of the Göbeklitepe , that site of ruins , calculated to be of 12 000 years , estimated to be the first [pagan] temple on earth . The claims are some smart guy has poured concrete around it . 'Cause every self respecting citizen of New Turkey has a company that requires steady Goverment contracts to pour concrete somewhere . Turns out that's a lie , they have kindly laid stones , another staple of life in the country , so that anyone comin' to see the site will not have the shoes covered with mud and the underlying layer is not concrete . Whatever ... There was a case last year when some construction company actually bulldozed a 7000 year old site alongside the road they were doing . Think that's called a tumulus or something . Like takes 50 years to excavate , while the company needs payment soon , now that without finishing the road they can't like take their bulldozers to work on some different project . Archeological authorites of the province ? Said nothing important , no need to sue or something . The junior might not also have heard that there will be more and more "Arabic" lessons in his future , even if the attempt to put "Ottoman" to the schools has apparently fizzled . You know kids were most unable to read to tomstones of their ancestors , due to the heretical change of the alphabet , if they were given a couple of hours each week , they would read them and this would somehow keep them on the true path , ı don't know , saving them from alcohol and deviant actions , right ? Appears some companies in Istanbul destroy all sorts of tombstones with powertools , during work around in cemeteries , because they can . AKA due to being owned by "Muslims" . ı actually know the company that tore down a wall from some Ottoman construction so that they could move a truck inside to bring in the required sand . History specialists , they were the ones who converted some building into the museum where ı was a guide , back in the old days . ı have had also helped my late father at work , who could do practically anything in house construction from laying bricks to plumbing ; so ı have a lot of time with wheelbarrows . With sand in them , moving through doors . If too tight , why , mix the mortar outside and carry it in with buckets . Actually like 40 years ago , concrete of whole floors would be carried upstairs by people in buckets , like 4 or 5 trucks worth of stuff in a single day ... But then what do ı know , like why it will take another juicy contract to mend the wall afterwards ?


with one Ponzi scheme down , the authorities of the Nation that works immediately wakes up and discovers 19 others out of 30 examined from 65 suspected web sites and the like . 2nd operation with arrests has netted 200 million liras ; while Members of the Parliament are said to be among those who wanted a 240% return on the investment in a year ... When the stockmarket thing came to Turkey , some mafia boss contracted a company to invest his money . Market up , so good , so good . Market falls ? First time it happened , mafia boss dropped by , with a couple of men , and afterwards the company covered the fall whenever , whereever . When there is no risk of failure , there is no need to care . About niceties and the like . The nation that works has abundant numbers of people like Arda Turan . Because Football is a massive industry that can create "role models" , America told Congregation to have football stars and it did . To match that Party chose Turan , then termed a football progidy and ı don't know maybe he was . The guy finally got to Barcelona , no doubt helped by the so called flag carrier paying like millions of dollars and so on . Now , instead of playing , he much loves "I am a man, a Man!" He and his wife seen at a nightclub and when leaving the journalists ask the wife of the wedding she might have desired . The guy explodes with anger . And yet , there is this photo that shows him like in smiles , right getting into the taxi . He showed his manliness , he showed people . Acting is a lot of what people get these days ... They don't even care to hide , New Turkey is eternal .


but then not to worry , soon all the news agencies will belong to the Party and 1984 will happen without any major yellow journalism events . Of all the journos who have been on the zoo trip , where yours idiotly is seen in the street walking home , only one is "contrary" and she had this piece on some Iraqi elite , some woman that used to call Saddam an "uncle" , on the charisma of the guy and the like . But then she has an house in Mumbai , a place to go when this "Leave the country if you don't like it" gains some real traction . Nothing to worry , Nation works and it will be even more glorious when there is no more opposition in anything .

though , still a waste of time . The New Turkey beats anything and everything . Because the peadophilia events of the "Muslims" were reported and more victims and the like found courage (just like the Catholic Church suffers more each year) there was a flood of reports . Naturally on the web , where all those sacked for their callous heinous rejection to call the Party "clean" , collected them and made waves and even full time newspapers had to report on them . Also led to digging of the web accounts of all those "imams" that give a fatwa on stuff online . Party took necessary steps : Anyone in web reporting will now need a license and people out of the Nation that works will not get one . Out of Harun Yahya dancing with ex-models and the Nation that works getting into a religious frenzy because Verses from the Kuran recited in presence of scantily covered breasts and the like and the State has no legal power to fight that . ı don't know why they just do not ban the guy's site as they are fully capable of doing to so many stuff ? And the "imams" joined forces and agreed not to leak better episodes to discredit their opponents . As they were long doing . Interesting among the crowd as shown on TV , because they too must appear on TV , must be the guy whom ı presume to be the one who organized a lot of Mavi Marmara thing . As one might have heard , facepoke is now fighting Palestinian "terrorists" in the name of Judeo-Christian "Civilization" and exposing their dirty secrets . So this ex-US Marine grabs a gun from an Israeli , despite the obvious thing that the Mavi Marmara is all about passive resistance and the like and there will no nothing and yet a fight begins and amazingly all the killed are Turkish nationals ? There is a thread on CFC , you know ...



while the giveaway must be that Bolton guy that became the new security adviser . With a reported spectacular discovery . Evil Obama has been supporting Marxists , namely the seperatists for all those years ... And even with that , even that added to the lovely American moves to help the PM in all means by all means , the Afrin daily matches the advance of Damascus in Ghouta , you know , as if Qatar and Russia are exchanging territory . America gave a blank check to kill as many seperatists as necessary and they are still tied down to stuff by stuff .
 
I'm starting to think Erdogan is right. NATO isn't strong enough to stop him. Militarily, sure, NATO could defeat Turkey easily, however there is a complete lack of political will among the other members of NATO to actually escalate things to that point. And that is where Turkey is stronger than the other members of NATO. Right now, they are bullying Cyprus and staring us in the face, daring us to do something about it. And what are we doing about it? Not a damn thing.

Why fight a war if you can win that war without much effort, money and blood ?

Yes.. the EU has a member leaving by Brexit and also a candidate member, Turkey, going weird towards the EU since the Erdogan referendum, and not to forget a Trump eroding by shouts the long term alliance
but the most striking effect for me taking place in the same time period is that the confidence in the EU has significantly increased among the EU people in the EU !!!


So a lot of turmoil and sabre rattling....... so what ?
 
Why fight a war if you can win that war without much effort, money and blood ?

Yes.. the EU has a member leaving by Brexit and also a candidate member, Turkey, going weird towards the EU since the Erdogan referendum, and not to forget a Trump eroding by shouts the long term alliance
but the most striking effect for me taking place in the same time period is that the confidence in the EU has significantly increased among the EU people in the EU !!!


So a lot of turmoil and sabre rattling....... so what ?

The eu has (still) a candidate member like Turkey. That alone should speak by itself :)
 
The eu has (still) a candidate member like Turkey. That alone should speak by itself :)

Indeed
Keeping your options open in such a decision up to the moment that not-deciding decreases your options more than deciding.. is always better
never waste ammo unless

It is like a negotiation meeting where both parties sit and say nothing...
the weaker and more uncertain party likely to break the silence

There is a strategic beauty in waiting games !
 
^I doubt this is what is going on, though. Eu seems to not care about having a nominal candidate state that invades other countries and threatens other eu countries. At some point it becomes a farce - and it is way past that, surely ;)
 
^I doubt this is what is going on, though. Eu seems to not care about having a nominal candidate state that invades other countries and threatens other eu countries. At some point it becomes a farce - and it is way past that, surely ;)

I am quite sure that the behaviour of Erdogan is considered annoying in practical terms, whereby that "farce", that poking in the human rights "content" of the EU is both annoying the ego of officials personally as seen as detrimental for the "face" of the EU (affecting also the peoples support for the current EU position).

The question however is:
Is that enough to lessen options, to mark your position, by getting into action ?
Is the damage of not reacting bigger than reacting ?
Are the benefits of holding your horses better than moving ?

I can vey well imagine that this refugee thing, where Turkey is convenient at this time, needs to be brought to another stage, before the EU sees time fit to squeeze the relation with Turkey..... so that te EU can score better in domestic affairs, the support of the EU peoples, with forcing the issue with Turkey, in her own chosen way, at her own chosen time.

It is just like the Brexit negotiations: the EU is in the position where it can sit back: let May jump in all directions
And ofc the public attitude of the EU is that it does not care
Must be quite maddening for Erdogan with an EU that positions herself in that "immovable" passive agression position.

I can understand that you do not trust the EU that much in this issue.
The thing to monitor here is the investments and desinvestments of companies of EU members into Turkey !
If that goes South, I think you can conclude that both the individual companies and/or the EU member governments are adjusting their long term position towards Turkey, lessening the financial impact of future trade retalliations.
And imo no doubt Erdogan with all his poking around will try to force the issue on a shorter timescale, when impacts are still bigger.
 
On that Foreign Investment behaviour:
The last 6 years, after the crisis, Turkey got each year a stable total of 10-15 Billion USD foreign investments, whereby noted that both 2016 and 2017 were going down.
The EU the biggest contributor, the Netherlands with distance the biggest EU contributor.
(whereby mentioned on a side note that Turkey and the Netherlands have both withdrawn their ambassadors and Dutch people think twice before they go to Turkey)

Interesting enough Qatar has promised to invest 19 Billion USD in Turkey in 2018 !!!!!
So the Near East political foreign affairs manoeuvring of Erdogan seems to pay off.
And Erdogan is in less need of the EU, US, China foreign investments for the near future, if this really happens, preparing the way for further increasing the tension with the EU.

https://tradingeconomics.com/turkey/foreign-direct-investment
https://www.dailysabah.com/economy/2017/10/18/qatar-poised-to-invest-19b-in-turkey-next-year
 
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so , does the situation match the Chinese curse ; that "May you live in interesting times" ?


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being like so typically boring . My entire adulthood has seen steady reporting that America wants to establish a Kurdish Nation State . Because Kurds are great warriors ; now that America took Turkey into NATO only because of the like great performance of the 3 Brigades that served a year each in Korea and that was only because of the thing that the troops were entirely of "Kurdish" stock . Because in the great days when the days of the Turk were numbered , there were so many documentaries to that end ; the Turk has to be taught he was never there . When America brings in some guy named Bolton who would love to nuke Iran , when America has like run some 7 years of war in Syria to destroy possible allies of Iran , when the country of Iraq expensively liberated is under the stinkingly smelly influence of Iran . The shiny uniforms were easy ; they were spoiled and ISIL were their de facto allies , so they abandoned Sinjar - which ended in the failure of the referandum . Not foreseen , especially by yours idiotly but whatever . But certainly good for some factoids . Kurds will sdmize any enemy , as long as America first comes and kills all the enemies ; a line perfectly suitable to mock the American expert dudes . And the Turk of course knew the seperatists were America's best bet and best friend ; on the basis of opposites attract . Marxist feminist environmentalist "guerilla" movement in bed with capitalist global carbon footprint leading superpower . The seperatists are the gods of war , contrasted to the shiny uniforms of Barzani . So , ISIL came to Sinjar and the gods of war gloriously stopped them , entrenching on the outskirts of the town . There was some Kurdish Stalingrad in some other place , which lasted like months and we presented with a narrative that the entire human civilization tetered on the brink of destruction and Kurds saved the entire Mankind ! Though they could have done it in a week , had America used its bombs . Just like America used the same bombs profligately when the time was ripe . Namely when research showed Joe Public now believed in Kurds and how they saved Civilization . Otherwise beardies would sit on a truck wheel and paddle across the Atlantic and land in New York and set fire to the Statue of Liberty and urinate of the site of the 9/11 ...


so ? So , Iraqis just come and take Sinjar . Is this all ? Is this why some 2 year old Yezidi boy was forgotten during the panicked run of people who were left unprotected so that they could suffer in the name of Kurds ? Is this why the eyes of that 2 year old Yezidi boy "burned" in the sun ? Is this why kids left in a mountaintop so that their plight could be aired in the CNN suffered from hunger and thirst . Eating poisonous herbs and drinking blood from the veins . Which their entirely helpless parents opened for them as the last resort ? Oh wait , maybe this was just like Iraqi WMDs ? Oh wait , you are now going to say Yezidi women were not abducted en masse and sold for like 20 bucks a head ? Barack Obama will never be able to live it down , mark my word if you ever need to for once . That the first Black President of US allowed slave bazaars to exist . In some Turkoman location , because the glorious gods of war would wipe Turks clean off the world's face and ı don't know but it surely would be our fault ? ı really don't know why the Western Public opinion is taken to be so flimsy ; you could sell anything , if it involved a wholesale genocide of us Turks , the scum of the earth , the demonseed ... The Yezidis were still in some mountain , two or three months after the fall of the town , so that they would see salvation only in the seperatists and join their ranks as further cannon fodder . So that Pentagon could insert a line into briefings when the bombing of Turkey had begun . Like how evil Ottomans were the single reason why the Yezidis were suffering in the 4th Century BC and the glorious gods of war were righting every wrong , with the glorious assistance of Uncle Sam !


and because America fails its glorious allies and fails to bomb the Iraqis skyhigh and this somehow hurts the standing of Ankara -the wannabe master of the Middle East- another location falls to New Turkey . Am kinda more amazed at members of of some site . People have been fans of the gods of war and now curse them for foolishy fighting a Maginot against the so called blitz . See , they fail to see that they too would fail if they were themselves defending Afrin . Without America stopping Army of Petrol the fortifications would inevitably be destroyed sooner or later . Without the Army of Petrol , the gods of war had been holding the area for years , against the beardies happily , cheerfully and gloriously , right ? And America could . Just like it would if it was Turkey and not New Turkey .

(why so short ? Am involved in some huge , 60% ocean map . Angmar just cleared its continent or something , Eastlings are in the 4th era just like me , even if ı opportunistically took advantage of their war against Arnor . They might have lost like 400 or 500 units in the 20 turns ı fought , allied with Arnor to keep them in . Waiting for the Urukhais to fill my like 32 empty armies .)



so , this post is entirely wrong ? In that Tel Rıfat did not fall ? Some town in Syria held by the seperatists under Russian umbrella ? On the basis of "Yet" perhaps ? Because it had to as New Turkey typically gets a long way with fake news ? Now that the Shia gains something , the Sunnis also must ? So this involves a whole day of news that it had , until the nightfall so that the chief of goverment general's office could declare it had not , with very few people listening to the news ? Dear Americans , if you keep abandoning your allies , how are you going to genocide us Turks all ? Yeah , Kurds are your allies and we are not . Now that you had even adandoned maintaining the facade , the diplomatic conduct aka telling outright lies ... Like a decade back , too ...
 
In that Tel Rıfat did not fall ? Some town in Syria held by the seperatists under Russian umbrella ?
Looks like the Russians just closed the umbrella and carried it away. Don't know what Turkey promised in exchange, but Kurdish enclave seems to be doomed.
I wonder what Erdogan and Americans will do with Rojava.
 
seems some so called FreeSyrian location was offered in exchange and Putin did not see it profitable enough ... But that's rather passe for the moment for


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[remember , ı write these at home a night before the posting "live" with the night news and so on]

so , does all this talk ever achieve anything ? Not about to accuse anyone of anything now that ı myself might have exploded or at least catched fire or something without the ever lasting and never ending ranting . The EU meets the PM ; newspaper accounts here suggest it was all about two Greek soldiers crossing the border . Naturaly they were caught or womething with great fanfare , accused of being spies , you know with 3 smart phones on them . New Turkey is always like accused of carrying out hostage taking diplomacy ; the return of those 8 coupists who escaped with an helicopter would be like cool for Ankara and Athens cites the freedom of courts . Amazingly these courts are free all over the world , too . Whatever and whatever and all those EU bigshots talk about how they should be freed . Naturally we also learn the said bigshots make remarks on the greatness of New Turkey , too . Like absolutely nothing on the emergency rule in Turkey , seperatists being hurt even if this is merely on the level of better than nothing , will the economy blow up suddenly , whatever .


(oh my , 22 00 o'clock news and Trump declares they will leave Syria soon ... Bye and do not come back . Don't forget your nukes in Incirlik , too .)

and Ankara readily accepts it . By naturally discovering a Dutch agent , posing as a diplomat and conspiring against New Turkey and stuff , hand wavium like . In return , you know only because people would expect it , that Tusk guy criticizes New Turkey or something . You know , Gravity makes rivers flow to the sea and seas do not climb up the mountains . It would like wake up people that the EU is like conspiring . In return the Last Prime Minister declares the marks of the EU is rather poor , because it looks cool . New Turkey = the master and EU = mere pupils who learn greatness from the master . A lot of preparation for the summit in New Turkey , you see . Party Youth distributes that Turkish Delight kind of sweets at an university , Radical Left Youth starts a fight ; calling Afrin thing is not a thing to be celebrated , with deaths and all . Naturally the PM declares the Leftists will not be allowed to continue with their studies . The PM is supposed to have 36 chief advisors and thousands of lower ranking officials directly working for him . At east one of them would have a notion or something that education would be some inalienable basic Human Right . Not only that . We also heard there are some "marginals" in Istanbul . Can't tell these are Leftist kind of people or gays . But they are a "colour" of the country . But if they don't behave they will be driven out ; presumably Istanbul and presumably out of country . Typical of New Turkey ; deals are made with reaching a compromise and New Turkey always raises the stakes so that the they will always get what they want . Now that what they want never ends , you get the drift ...

(people are like amazed . Who is the sissy , pal ? And of course even the opponents of the Party call the greatness of the New Turkey's amazing offensiveness , achieving results ! )

in return for EU coolness and assistance , New Turkey acts typically . Some dude (Muslim kind clothed , beards and robes) walks the halls of the Parliament , 15-20 years ago he wouldn't be allowed to do so . While some activists for the Main Opposition is stopped at the gates and he is made to take off the t-shirt he wears . Naked on top and in tears according to newspapers . Because the t-shirt has the picture of Kemal and Atatürk is now a "political" symbol (you know just like the seperatist "colours") to be taken down . Because the EU made it like clear that they still hate the Turks and Atatürk who refused to do anything against the Turks ; the same Parliament has a theatre performance about the Çanakkale 1915 . Male and female performers , half the show goes on . Second half , the women sit on the side , because the MPs will not tolerate such adultery . What , they had legs ? Pictures will show no legs but you can tell the hair colour of each actress . New Turkey will most probably declare this never happened , but whatever . Arabian filth is moving on . Not racist , no nothing , Arabs are people just like anyone else , dirt does not exclusively belong to them . But Arabian filth is a thing , beardies who are ready to eat hearts , ban women off the streets , shoot down kites and demand a foot of beard from everyone . The contrast with the average Christian fundamentalist is that the average Christian fundemantalist is required to remain alive . For Western Democracies still can not raise the dead from the grave to vote for the goverments in charge . If he comes to places , average Christian fundamentalist might step on some thermal detonator mine , got it ? The idiot who will become the next Saudi king comes from some legacy that declared the Ottomans infidels , after Western pressure closed the slave trade 1840ish . Kept on it after news that women were having their photos taken . Even more horribly not in full burka like wear . Those who revolted against the Ottomans thought they would be awarded for their great work against the Turk , so London replaced them with the grandfathers of that idiot like in 1920 . Who then invaded Mecca , Riyad etc. and the like and the first thing they did was shooting all the mirrors and of course all their palaces had fully mirrored rooms . You know , fantasy like ... Especially when some suitable Westerners arrived . So , this guy now wants to be the Muslim Moderate , because they have had 3 years of war in Yemen and like 140 000 combat sorties or whatever and they still 'ing can't stop the Shia raining missiles on them . And there is more to "war" than closing some routes and opening some and 2000 or 5000 or 7000 pilgrims will die under the feet of other pilgrims , because some Saudi Prince is to be a Pilgrim himself . Not that he believes in Allah , it only involves making others believe that he does .

but America has learned from Britain which was great back in the day and will not let all those millions of beardies to rot . We are being exchanged , to be the leaders of scum , so that some jerk can call himself moderate , enlightened , good hearted . So that the Shia , who don't much understand from the phrase "Peaceful Co-existance" will be busy with others . Arabian filth also involves hubris , "buying" influence in the West . Arabian filth also involves a general awareness of the world that stupifies people with its unrealism at all things . Like America does not badly desire Arabian oil money , because they own all those oil rich Arabs anyhow . It's bed time story Arabs tell each other that Saudis go and buy stuff worth billions of dollars from America and America lets them be . Make believe and nothing else . As such , ı just heard it on the radio , some former officer of the now dead Turkish Air Force , now teaching at some university , that American Defence companies DO have to sell to New Turkey , otherwise all those American workers will starve to death . The veracity of such a claim must of course should be asked to Americans who like work in the related fields and the like . Well , perhaps it's a good thing the THK is now dead . If half of it was traitors of the Congregation , the other half was like this ?


(oh well , typically New Turkey . Pitched voices , back slapping , beaming smiles and not even the Al Crusading is like reporting it . An hour of it and no more smiles . Still , do not forget your nukes , now that we are not allies .)

make believeness of New Turkey really makes people stupid . Because America hates us , America makes us an Arab country in soul . So that there is no need to believe in official statements . Because it's good PR , another bumper year in economics . 7,4% growth , second among the OECD countries . The Last Prime Minister says it is a world record , as Ireland is in orbit and its 8,4% doesn't count . Main Opposition on other hand says the economy contracted by 1,3% . Voice of Russia , as you would expect , celebrated the 19% increase , resulting in a GNP of 3,1 trillion US dollars . Wait , they mean 3,1 trillion Turkish liras ...

(oh my , as America pulls a rabbit of the hat , like that they are running away with the tail between the legs and the summit of Varna has shown who is the boss , Frenchies immediately declare that they have given guarantees to the Kurds , seems they will deploy troops . Oh , they have actually deployed . See , ı had not even felt like mocking the arrest and stuff of Sarkozy . Not because Paris was offering a good will stuff because why shouldn't ı despise the guy but because a son of Kaddafi will run in the elections in Libya and he has to be propped so Paris lends a hand to Kaddafis . No doubt it involves future oil contracts . Amazing , why no smiles and back slapping ? Oh why , ı will immediately order modification plans for the Eiffel Tower as an anchor for the zeppelins . What , we have whole fleets of them . We are not loser Americans who can't half pay the wages with half a trillion a year ...)



tell and draw : New Turkey can not stop , because they have never had to stop dealing with the Republic . So , America gives them a big one . Defeating America , capiche or however you speel that . And because New Turkey will still not be able to get it , Frenchies come and intervene . At least 1400 seperatists have been killed with no scratch on the evil Turks , despite the losses of the Army of the Petrol , for those who will be able to make the disctinction .
 
^I doubt this is what is going on, though. Eu seems to not care about having a nominal candidate state that invades other countries and threatens other eu countries. At some point it becomes a farce - and it is way past that, surely ;)

If you think it's a farce now, wait until the US leaves :p.
 
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