Esential civs for a TSL Huge Earth experience, post BNW?

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  1. damnyankees

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  2. TRusheeRush

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    For better geographic coverage (my preferred Civs are listed first in case of multple Civs fitting geographically):
    1:Celts/Egypt
    2:France
    3:portugal/Spain
    4:Carthage/Morocco
    5:Songhai
    6:Zulu
    7:Ethiopia/Egypt
    8:Iroquois
    9:Babylon/Assyria/Persia/Arabs
    10:India
    11:Siam
    12:Indonesia
    13:Huns placed North of the Black Sea (I really want Khazars)
    14:China
    15:Mongols
    16:Russia
    17:Byzantium/Ottomans
    18:Germany/Austria/Poland
    19:Sweden
    20:Aztecs/Maya
    21:Brazil
    22:Inca

    If only we had Inuit and plains Indian civs to fill in North America!
     
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  4. JFD

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  5. seancolorado

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    My list again but with underline for preferred civs, because TRusheeRush inspired me to:

    Spoiler :



    Americas:

    1. America
    2. Iroquois
    3. Aztec or Maya - More aggressive civ to make Americas more exciting
    4. Inca
    5. Brazil


    Europe:

    6. England*
    7. Spain or Portugal - Portugal's UA works better in TSL than Spain
    8. France or Netherlands or Germany or Poland or Austria or Rome - Could go with any of these really, but Germany is less conflicting. So close to choosing Rome
    9. Russia
    10. Greece or Byzantium or Ottomans - Ottomans surrounded by lots of land and water. With their water UA and land UUs, they work the best.


    Africa and Middle East:

    11. Assyria or Babylon or Persia - Persia puts more pressure on the lonely India
    12. Arabia or Egypt - Arabia encompasses less conflicting area
    13. Carthage or Morocco - Morocco desert bonus makes them more interesting
    14. Songhai
    15. Ethiopia
    16. Zulu



    Asia and Oceania:

    17. Mongolia
    18. China**
    19. India
    20. Siam
    21. Indonesia
    22. Polynesia




     
  6. altayrneto

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    Persia
    Greece
    Rome
    Carthage
    Celts
    China
    India
    Egypt
    Japan
    Indonesia
    Assyria
    Ethiopia
    Mongolia
    Huns
    Maya
    Aztec
    Inca
    Polinesia
    Sian
    Denmark/Germany
    Babylon
     
  7. CivilianSam

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    OH man...

    So I plan to modify the Play The World Extended: Marathon (GIGANTIC true-start Earth map available in the steam workshop, you can modify it using the world builder) map to include my choice of 22 civs. I've already made my list. Unlike the original version of this map available for download, my version will not include any civs in the Americas. All 22 civs will be old world:

    1) Portugal
    2) France
    3) Celts
    4) Sweden
    5) Poland
    6) Russia
    7) Greece
    8) Carthage
    9) Egypt
    10) Songhai
    11) Zulu
    12) Assyria
    13) Babylon**
    14) Persia
    15) The Huns
    16) Mongolia
    17) India
    18) China
    19) Korea
    20) Japan
    21) Siam
    22) Indonesia

    ** Since Babylon/Assyria would be too close for true starts to be realistic, I'm placing babylon slightly north of the middle east, between the Black and Caspian seas, like modern-day Georgia/far southern Russia.
     
  8. altayrneto

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    Medieval/Renaissance (It will not work as I wanted, because civilizations will be about the same age, in other words, the Aztecs can start the navigations and discover Europe... And for me, Native American Tribes works like barbarian. Sorry Hiawatha.)

    Arabia
    Morroco
    Ottomans
    England
    France
    Spain
    Neetherland
    Portugal
    Ethiopia
    China
    India
    Japan
    Sian
    Aztec
    Inca
    Russia
    Mongolia
    Korea
    Denmark
    Austria
    Persia
    Sweden
    Germany
    *Venice ;)
     
  9. Agravesx

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    1. USA
    2. Iroqouis
    3. Aztec
    4. Brazil
    5. New Native American Civ
    6. Japan
    7. Polynesia
    8. Indonesia
    9. India
    10. China
    11. Mongolia
    12. Arabia
    13. Byzantium
    14. France
    15. Russia
    16. Rome
    17. Sweden
    18. Ethiopia
    19. Songhai
    20. Zulu
    21. Morocco
    22. Egypt
     
  10. Fangren

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    Hmm, I'm currently playing a TSL game with Y(N)AEMP as Arabia, and this is my current roster:

    Spoiler :
    New World
    Aztecs
    Iroquois
    Maya
    Inca

    Africa
    Carthage
    Egypt
    Ethiopia
    Songhai

    Middle East
    Arabia
    Byzantium

    Europe
    Celts
    Denmark
    Netherlands
    Rome
    Sweden

    Asia
    China
    India
    Korea
    Japan
    Mongols
    Polynesia
    Siam


    There are obviously a few things I'm going to do differently for my next TSL games on the same map (I want to start one as Spain sometime before July), and of course there are the changes induced by BNW. I'll go over each region separately.

    New World
    Obviously, Brazil deserves a look simply because it's the only other South American civ. There's also the much-speculated possibility of another North American native tribe to consider. Ideally, both would be included alongside what I already have simply because the Americas have a lot of land without many choices of civs to populate it. Assuming the default civ cap remains at a meager 22, it would be difficult to decide who to cut...probably the Aztecs.

    Africa
    The Zulu are a definite inclusion..if I can find room. Morocco would replace Carthage, but only when Spain isn't on the map - I don't want them taking the tasty Rock of Gibraltar from poor Isabella.

    Middle East
    An easily-changed toss-up between a number of civs: Byzantium or Ottomans is the obvious choice, but as I intend on replacing the Arabs with something further east, do I go with Babylon, Assyria, or even Persia?

    Europe
    The way I see it is there is room for no more than 5 civs in Europe. Ideally, this means Celts/England in the Isles, Portugal/Spain in Iberia, France/Rome/Germany/Netherlands/Austria(/Venice if it's included) in the central-ish region, Denmark/Sweden in Scandinavia, and Russia/Poland/maybe the Huns to the east. This region, due to the disproportionately large number of civs compared to land area, is basically mix-and-match to suit my purposes.

    Asia
    Indonesia will probably replace either Mongolia or Polynesia, maybe Korea.

    So, assuming I end up doing a TSL earth map as Spain post-BNW, here's what I'm thinking given what we currently know about the new civs:

    Spoiler :
    New World
    Brazil
    Iroquois
    Maya
    Inca

    Africa
    Carthage
    Egypt
    Ethiopia
    Songhai
    Zulu

    Middle East
    Assyria
    Ottomans

    Europe
    Austria
    England
    Denmark
    Poland
    Spain

    Asia
    China
    India
    Indonesia
    Japan
    Polynesia
    Siam
     
  11. Captain Fargle

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    For a TSL Earth Map? Hmmm

    1: Iroquois
    2: America
    3: Maya
    4: Brazil
    5: Inca
    6: Zulu
    7: Ethiopia
    8: Morocco
    9: Songhai
    10: Egypt
    11: Portugal
    12: Siam
    13: England
    14: Poland
    15: Polynesia
    16: Russia
    17: Persia
    18: India
    19: China
    20: Indonesia
    21: Mongolia
    22: Japan
     
  12. jye42

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    North America
    1. Iroquois (Since I prefer them to America)
    2. Shoshone (Since they are a new civ)
    3. Maya (Since I prefer them to Aztec)


    South America
    4. Inca (Since they are the only cantidate for that geography)
    5. Brazil (Since they are the only cantidate for that geography)


    Oceania
    6. Polynesia with New Zealand Capital (Since they are the only cantidate for that geography)
    7. Indonesia (Since they are a new civ)


    Asia
    8. Japan (Since I prefer them to Korea)
    9. Siam (Since they are the only cantidate for that geography)
    10.China (Since they are the only cantidate for that geography)
    11. Mongolia (Since they are the only cantidate for that geography)
    12. India (Since they are the only cantidate for that geography)


    Africa
    13. Songhai (Since they are the only cantidate for that geography)
    14. Ethiopia (Since they are the only cantidate for that geography)
    15. Zulu (Since they are a new civ)
    16. Morocco (Since they are a new civ)


    Eurasia/Middle East
    17. Assyria (Since they are a new civ)
    18. Huns (Capital in Khazakstan)


    Europe
    19. Poland (Since they are a new civ)
    20. Portugal (Since they are a new civ)
    21. France (Since they have new features)
    22. Venice (Since they are a new civ)
     
  13. MeowthLover

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    This is my list:

    North America:
    1. America
    2. Aztec

    South America:
    3. Inca
    4. Brazil

    Europe:
    5. England
    6. France
    7. Germany
    8. Spain
    9. Russia
    10. Rome
    11. Sweden
    12. Poland

    Middle East/Africa:
    13. Egypt
    14. Zulu
    15. Songhai
    16. Ottomans

    Asia/Pacific:
    17. China
    18. India
    19. Persia
    20. Japan
    21. Indonesia
    22. Polynesia
     
  14. Gucumatz

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    I haven't played a TSL in a while. If I upgrade my computer this month I might again...

    If I do I would probably use Gedemon's mod to go over 22:

    Europe is such a small continent, that if you don't give enough space it sort of ruins the ability of the AI to compete or creates a too powerful Hegemon as one leverages power over the others. You can't have many civs in Europe if you want a competitive TSL

    Americas:
    1. America
    2. Iroquois
    3. Maya
    4. Brazil
    5. Inca

    Africa:
    6. Ethiopia
    7. Morocco
    8. Songhai
    9. Zulu
    10. Carthage

    Middle East:
    11. Persia
    12. Ottomans

    Europe:
    13. Germany
    14. Greece
    15. Russia
    16. Spain

    Asia:
    17. India
    18. Siam
    19. China
    20. Mongolia
    21. Indonesia
    22. Polynesia

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    If I chose a few more, I would also include England, Egypt, Rome, Sweden, and Japan
     
  15. Novu

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    Americas:
    1. Aztec
    2. Iroquois
    3. Maya
    4. Brazil

    Africa:
    5. Egypt (Also considered Middle Eastern)
    6. Morocco
    7. Zulu
    8. Carthage

    Middle East:
    9. Persia
    10. Ottomans

    Europe:
    11: Celts (Represents England, Ireland, and France)
    12. Denmark (Represents Germanic and Scandinavian people)
    13. Rome (Italy + Southern Europe)
    14. Russia
    15. Spain

    Asia:
    16: Korea
    17. India
    18. Siam
    19. China
    20. Mongolia
    21. Indonesia
    22. Polynesia

    Add in 41 city states
     
  16. blackcatatonic

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    Interesting lists posted so far! I think I will defer my selection until the last 2 Civs are confirmed, just in case we get someone really random as well as Venice...
     
  17. Glassmage

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    It's not that bad with 34 civs in Europe region on the Gedemon Giant Map.
     
  18. radster_X

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    This takes into the personalities of the leaders, (aka aggressive leaders that like to expand a lot), and geographical placement.

    Americas
    Iroqouis {Both these could be changed due}
    Aztec {to possible native american civ}
    America
    Inca
    Brazil


    Africa
    Zulu
    Ethiopia
    Morocco
    Egypt
    Songhai


    Europe
    Portugal
    Sweden
    Germany
    Poland
    Greece{could be changed to Rome or Venice if its included}
    Russia


    Asia
    Arabia
    Assyria
    India
    Indonesia
    China
    Mongolia
     
  19. True_Candyman

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    I largely agree with Seancolorado, i like your spread! (i even liked your format so much i stole it!) :goodjob: I would make a few changes though... Here's my justification:

    North and South America account for 29% of the worlds land mass (about a 16.5:12.5 split).
    Asia accounts for another 30%
    Europe (to the urals and caucasus) accounts for about 7%
    Africa accounts for another 20%
    Oceania (Australia and the pacific islands) accounts for another 5%
    Antartica accounts for around 9% - this portion is written off for obvious reasons

    That leaves a good 91% of the earths land mass inhabited by civilizations. For a good fair game, i'd want a good fair spread where everyone has around the same competition and area to expand.

    So with 22 civs, that means roughly 1 civ for every 4% of earths land mass. That will account for 88% of the land mass, and the extra awkward 3% can just be cut from asia and north america because of the crazy tundra. So for a good map spread here are my choices:

    Spoiler :


    Americas, 6 civs:

    1. Iroquois: Starting around the Eastern Great Lakes
    2. Aztecs: Starting in Northern Mexico (historically the Nahua people migrated south from northern mexico to found th aztec empire)
    3. [Speculated North American civ]: Starting in a midwestern/western location, depending on the civ. Probably positioned slightly more north than historically located.
    4. Maya: Starting in southern Guatemala/Honduras for expansion into South America
    5. Brazil: Positioned in very southern Brazil, around Sao Paulo/rio
    6. Inca: Positioned in western mid Peru


    Europe, 2 civs:

    7. France/Germany: I'd prefer France to give a bit more space between this civ and Russia/Ottomans
    8. Russia: Starting in Moscow region, also allows for Asian expansion


    Africa 5 civs:

    9. Morocco/Carthage: Either would do allowing for African and European expansion
    10. Egypt: potential for asian, european and african expansion, not trapped in a peninsula like arabia
    11. Ethiopia: filling out the east
    12. Songhai: filling out the west
    13. Zulu: filling out the south



    Asia and Oceania, 9 civs:

    14: Ottomans/Byzantium: i would prefer the ottomans, but the fit the same spot
    15: Babylon/Assyria: I would prefer Babylon starting in Iraq for some more distance from the ottomans/byzantium
    16: Persia: starting north of modern day iran, close to the caspian sea for a more competitive central asia and easing the pressure on the middle east.
    17. Mongolia: starting in central mongolia to fill out the plains
    18. China: starting in north east china
    19. India: starting in north/north west india
    20. Siam: Starting in northern thailand/myanmar
    21. Indonesia: Starting on java for distance from siam
    22. Polynesia: starting probably in New zealand allowing for some more expansion opportunities and greater competition for indonesia



    Civs not listed at all:
    America - Trying to avoid the european american civs (bitten the bullet for brazil) and occupies a similar location to the Iroquois
    Arabia: caught in a peninsula in a cluttered area
    England - island civs generally have difficultly expanding, particularly near continental civs who can much easier, also limited space in europe
    Celts - Same as above
    Spain - Too close to Morocco, not enough space in europe
    Portugal - Same as Spain
    Germany - Too close to france, europe problem
    Sweden - Icy area not often settled by the human player
    Denmark - Same as above
    Huns - No need for them
    Austria - too close to germany
    [Venice] - cluttered europe
    Rome - "
    Netherlands - "
    Poland - "
    Greece - too close to ottomans
    Korea - Could have been China or Korea, but China is too important to leave out
    Japan - They start on a relatively small 'island'. Unlike Indonesia and Polynesia, no UA incentive to justify
     
  20. Inhalaattori

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    Well most "European" Civs are/were not really just European.

    Lets take Russia, Rome and Byzantium as examples. Almost half of Roman kingdom was in Africa and Asia. Most of Russia was and still is part of Asia. Most of Byzantium was in Asia and Africa.
     

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