Espionage

[AlphaShard]

I didn't think we needed this thread for later, until a player from another team basically just announced what's in their BFC.

Well, I am quite interested on how this weird map turns out. The amount of times I've seen marble AND stone in my BFC I can probably count on both my hands. So needless to say our surprise at such a happy start this game. Though we suspected for balance that everyone had these in BFC.

HOWEVER... moving our warrior these last few turns has popped up many more of the same, yet nothing much else. The only way to make sense now is that everyone was given at least 2 monopolies. I'm not so sure that's a good thing, but time will see. I'm not complaining too hard, but it would be nice to at least have had the odd gold, silver, or gem somewhere. We have absolutely no commerce tiles and are not even financial here. Too much of the same thing isn't really nice tbh.

Or maybe I should keep my mouth shut until we finish scouting our landmass first.

Not sure which team he is one but they have a civ with just a warrior and not FIN. Stating that you can wonder whore and have no Commerce is not a good idea. Oh well that's the first nail in their coffin I say.

 

[champinoman]

He is in the Mavericks, playing as Gandhi.

Obsolete is a good player so I would be careful how much you can read into what he has said. It is likely that they have made the same conclusions as us in regards to the monopoly resources and has made this statement with half truths. The best way to con is to lie as little as possible to make it seem more realistic.

 

[AlphaShard]

Good points though STone/Marbel would benefit them to get Oracle/Stonehenge since they have the ability to found religon first. I think it's a safe bet that they will get a religon.

 

[grant2004]

I'm surprised at this one as well, it almost seems as if it's a ploy to prevent people from trying at wonders. If they think the Mavericks have the only source of stone or marble they might think it impossible to beat them.

I don't think the mapmaker would create a map where a civ had those two resources as their monopolies, that doesn't seem like it would be well balanced. We'll have to see I guess.

 

[champinoman]

The only thing I would read into this post is to confirm that each civ has quantities of the same resources. Everything thing else is deliberately in there to mislead people.

 

[BLubmuz]

Reading obsolete's post seems they have more than one source of both marble and stone.
He posted also he can count on 2 hands the times this happened in random-generated games, i say that it happened twice to me.

But giving a monopoly of those resources is a stupid move by the mapmaker. First, they will never trade for them, unless they need a strategic resource. But i don't think i can give copper or iron for stone. I come and take them if i can reach them.

Also, if they build too many wonders, they will have all the remaining teams greatly motivated to wipe them, see the reward.

A bad move by the mapmaker. Like it was the GLH one.

 

[pindicator]

The only thing I would read into this post is to confirm that each civ has quantities of the same resources. Everything thing else is deliberately in there to mislead people.

I wrote this in another thread, then I saw you beat me to it!

 

[champinoman]

I wrote this in another thread, then I saw you beat me to it!

I wrote the same thing in 3 different posts to make sure people at least consider this line of thought before blaming the map maker again (see BLubmuz's post 2 above).

I may be completely wrong but people need to consider that nobody would be stupid enough to reveal their starting resources in turn 3. And the biggest reason telling us this is a scam: If we had stone & marble wouldn't we keep it a secret so that all the other teams waste turns on wonders they never stand a chance to complete? Hell yes, let them waste turn after turn. Sure they get gold for tech'ing but at this stage there are usually better things to be getting.

 

[AlphaShard]

I know were keeping our gold and silk a secret that's for sure. The post seems noobish in nature and if Champinoman says that obosolete is not a noob then this could very well be a scam. I could see them having stone or marble but not Zero commerece resources. That would be unbalanced. Though it is likely they don't have any marble or stone and want to keep others from going for the wonders they want. In fact this map
might not have any stone or marble.

 

[BLubmuz]

So you say this is (obsolete's post) a deliberate attempt to influence other teams decisions about building wonders and that's not true?

I can see the point of doing this.

This is the first game of this kind for me, so i can make some mistake.

 

[AlphaShard]

Then there is the fact we have no IND leaders in this game so wonders would be resource dependant.

 

[Lord Parkin]

I'm pretty sure we can put it down to misinformation. Otherwise his team would have gone wild at him for revealing their start.

It's interesting to consider what might have been done with the Marble/Stone though. Personally I wouldn't be too worried if one team got most/all of it. Sure it's powerful, but having so many wonders would make them stick out in score so much that they'd probably be a target for the rest of the game. I'd be more worried if half the teams had access to Marble/Stone and half didn't - then a an alliance of Marble/Stone civs would have quite an advantage.

 

[Trystero]

So you say this is (obsolete's post) a deliberate attempt to influence other teams decisions about building wonders and that's not true?

I can see the point of doing this.

This is the first game of this kind for me, so i can make some mistake.

I agree that this is largely misinformation. What I think they are trying to ascertain is whether all the other teams also only have 2 strategic resources on their islands. They probably came to the same conclusion we did regarding forced diplomacy/trading. I would not alter plans for wonders, etc. (not that we've made any yet) based on his post.

 

[Irgy]

Misinformation or not, either way it confirms that they're planning on chasing wonders.

 

[Lord Parkin]

With Gandhi, I'd be surprised if they didn't chase any wonders. Particularly the Pyramids.

 

[Methos]

I agree that it's more then likely misinformation, but I'm also guessing its a feeler. Consider it like flaming or trolling. Most are going to realize what it is and ignore it, while some less-experienced are going to argue back. It's these arguments that can provide info to the flamer/troller. In my opinion, its a joke with the possibility of gaining from it.

 

[champinoman]

In my opinion, its a joke with the possibility of gaining from it.

+1

And the funny thing is that the inexperienced player who replies probably doesn't even know what they are giving away. Its Civ's version of Mafia

 

[AlphaShard]

Glad I choose to ignore it, not that I would have said what resources we had.

 

[BLubmuz]

I agree that it's more then likely misinformation, but I'm also guessing its a feeler. Consider it like flaming or trolling. Most are going to realize what it is and ignore it, while some less-experienced are going to argue back. It's these arguments that can provide info to the flamer/troller. In my opinion, its a joke with the possibility of gaining from it.

If any of you can kindly explain me the meaning of

flaming and trolling

I'll be grateful. I already encountered those terms, but i can't actually give them a meaning.

 

[Irgy]

flaming is writing posts which are very aggressive towards someone. The intended image is of attacking someone with a flamethrower, but via a forum. Generally disagreeing with everything they say, insulting them etc. In this case trying to make them angry so that they say something stupid. Often turns into a "flame war" where both sides are flaming each other.

trolling is writing posts which are not aggressive in themselves, but which are specifically designed to stir trouble. Generally these posts do not provoke any worthwhile conversation, but just make people angry. The main difference from flaming is that the posts aren't openly or obviously aggressive (even if they have a similar effect), and they're not always aimed at a particular person but maybe a group of people with strong opinions on a subject. A "troll" is someone who makes many such posts and rarely contributes helpfully to the discussion.