EU expanding its 'sphere of influence,' Russia says

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An interesting article from EUobserver.com:

EU expanding its 'sphere of influence,' Russia says


EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The Eastern Partnership is an EU attempt to expand its "sphere of influence" in the quest for hydrocarbons, Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov has said, in Moscow's first major broadside against the new policy.

"We are accused of having spheres of influence. But what is the Eastern Partnership, if not an attempt to extend the EU's sphere of influence, including to Belarus," the minister said on Saturday (21 March) at the Brussels Forum, a high-level symposium.

He added that the Czech EU presidency and the European Commission are putting undue pressure on Belarus by suggesting it might be marginalised if it follows Russia in recognising the independence of Georgian breakaway regions South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

"Is this promoting democracy or is it blackmail? It's about pulling countries from the positions they want to take as sovereign states," Mr Lavrov said.

The EU on Friday formally launched the Eastern Partnership, a €600 million policy to forge closer political and trade links with six former Soviet countries - Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine.

Azerbaijan and Georgia are important for the EU's pursuit of alternative gas and oil import routes from the Caspian Sea region. Belarus also hosts a major gas pipeline system.

The invitation of Belarus leader Lukashenko to an Eastern Partnership launch summit in May and the pace of EU-Belarus rapprochement in the partnership process continue to hang in the balance, however. Czech foreign minister Karl Schwarzenberg in February said it would be "difficult" to make progress if Minsk takes the Russian line on Georgia.

Mr Lavrov's choice of words on Saturday was piquant, with former-Communist EU members often accusing Moscow of blackmailing its neighbours or thinking in terms of Cold War-era spheres.

He said Russia has special relations with eastern European countries because of "hundreds of years of common history" and Russia's open labour market.

Sweden, the co-author of the Eastern Partnership project together with Poland, rejected Mr Lavrov's position as "completely unacceptable."

"The Eastern Partnership is not about spheres of influence. The difference is that these countries themselves opted to join," Swedish foreign minister Carl Bildt told EUobserver at the Brussels Forum.

The EU's position on Georgia is not 'blackmail' but "is about upholding the principles of the EU and international law, which Russia should also be respecting," he added.


'Appeasement won't work'

The Lavrov speech should dispel the idea that Russia will agree to a formula of more EU, less NATO for its former vassals, according to EU and NATO-aspirant Georgia.

"Mr Lavrov just confirmed that whatever choices Eastern European countries make, be it NATO or EU, they are not acceptable to Russia. Moscow continues to see the Euro-atlantic aspirations of these countries as an attempt to leave its sphere of influence," Georgian minister for reintegration Temuri Yakobashvili told this website.

"The fact that Russia sees the European Partnership as a zero-sum game proves wrong those who believe that giving up NATO aspirations would solve the problems with Moscow. Appeasing Russia will not work."

Ukraine, home to a large ethnic-Russian minority hostile to NATO expansion, is taking a more nuanced approach.

"There is a difference, NATO has a huge legacy from the bipolar world of the Cold war, which the EU does not have," Ukraine deputy premier Hryhoriy Nemyria said.

"The strategic priority of our country is integration in the EU. This is the way to modernise our country and we welcome the Eastern Partnership policy, because it uses de facto the same instruments as for EU candidates. We know it's not about membership, but membership is also not completely ruled out for the future."


So, what do you think? Do you agree with the Georgian minister, that Russia sees the EU as a rival, just as it sees NATO as its enemy? Is Russia afraid that EU's "charm" will pull Eastern European/Caucasian countries out of Russia's "sphere of influence"?

And also, do you believe the EU should keep the door open for Belarus, despite Lukashenko's anti-democratic record?
 
Hahahaha! Now you Europeans are just like us 'expansionist' Americans! :lol:

ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
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Hahahaha! Now you Europeans are just like us 'expansionist' Americans! :lol:

ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

Read the article, please :)

Eastern Partnership is nothing but continuation of traditional EU policy towards the post-Communist countries. First, the EU helped to stabilize Central Europea, the Balkans and the Baltics, now it's trying to do the same with Eastern Europe and the Caucasian cauntries.

The EU draft of the EaP states that: "Shared values including democracy, the rule of law, and respect for human rights will be at its core, as well as the principles of market economy, sustainable development and good governance." The Partnership is to provide the foundation for new Association Agreements between the EU and those partners who have made sufficient progress towards the principles and values mentioned. Apart from values, the declaration says the region is of "strategic importance" and the EU has an "interest in developing an increasingly close relationship with its Eastern partners..."
 
It's interesting how they use the word "appeasement." Clearly, to the Russians, EU interference in the Russian perceived sphere of influence parallels that of even Nazi Germany's.
 
It's interesting how they use the word "appeasement." Clearly, to the Russians, EU interference in the Russian perceived sphere of influence parallels that of even Nazi Germany's.

EU's peaceful expansion cannot be compared to pre-WW2 expansion of both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. By no means, I find such assertion almost offensive.
 
You mean tells it like you want to hear it?
 
Form, just so you know (I'll clue you in since you obvioulsy have a history of missing such obvious things), by again jumping into a converation haphazardly thinking you were going to make some clever point you have now just taken up the position that EU economic negotiations are the equivalent to Nazi territorial expansionism. Bravo.
 
europe does seem to be moving back to the cold war in a way i mean on one side you've got the eu that which obviously has its own interests in mind but in working towards these helps other states like the us with the marshall plan wheras on the other side you've got an insecure russia trying to control its neighbours because they think evryone else is a threat
 
europe does seem to be moving back to the cold war in a way i mean on one side you've got the eu that which obviously has its own interests in mind but in working towards these helps other states like the us with the marshall plan wheras on the other side you've got an insecure russia trying to control its neighbours because they think evryone else is a threat

In a very, very, very simplified way... yes, that's it.
 
Whether the US and Eu like to admit it or not, if the shoe was on the other foot, they wouldnt like it one bit, however I dont think Russia dislikes the EU anywhere near as much as it hates NATO, I think the EU and Russia can easily work together, however you cant expect Russia to like this anymore than you can expect Poland to like the fact that Russia and Germany are friendly. Its just not how it works, but this is not a big obstacle to good relations at all.
 
Whether the US and Eu like to admit it or not, if the shoe was on the other foot, they wopuldnt like ti one bit, however I dont think Russia dislikes the EU anywhere near as much as it hates NATO, I think the EU and Russia can easily work together, however you cant expect Russia to like this anymore than you can expect Poland to like the fact that Russia and Germany are friendly. Its just not how it works, but this is not a big obstacle to good relations at all.

Occasionally I guess I do agree with you.
 
Whether the US and Eu like to admit it or not, if the shoe was on the other foot, they wouldnt like it one bit, however I dont think Russia dislikes the EU anywhere near as much as it hates NATO, I think the EU and Russia can easily work together, however you cant expect Russia to like this anymore than you can expect Poland to like the fact that Russia and Germany are friendly. Its just not how it works, but this is not a big obstacle to good relations at all.

A quick sneek peek into Russian mentality:

For the Russians, the EU is an anomaly, an exception they're not prepared to work with. Just like in Britain, their foreign policy is based on exploitation of differences between European powers in order to create an enviroment suitable for expasion of Russian power and influence. EU has greatly reduced Russian options in foreign policy, which is why are they trying so hard to set one EU state against another, creating discord, distrust and confusion (you're one best example that it sometimes works like a charm :p ). The sooner the EU is gone, the better - according to the Russians.

The EU likes to think of itself as post-modern. The superior embodiment of soft-power and post-national politics, where interdependence and the pooling of sovereignty makes it possible to move beyond decades and centuries of animosities, conflicts, and narrow state interests. The EU clearly achieved that. But the bigger question is whether the EU as an experiment is indeed a qualitative change of international politics that will affect the course of history, or just a temporary experiment.

Many Russians I spoke to think the EU is only a temporary phenomenon. L’exception qui fait la règle. When this experiment will fail, everything will return to “normal”: power politics, “concert of europe”-style diplomacy, inequality of states, spheres of influence, and interests, not values, as the driving forces behind international politics. Their relations with many EU member states only reinforce this belief.

EUobserver blogs

Until Russia acknowledges that the EU is here to stay, the relations will remain rocky.
 
Right. I'll answer simply.

So, what do you think? Do you agree with the Georgian minister, that Russia sees the EU as a rival, just as it sees NATO as its enemy? Is Russia afraid that EU's "charm" will pull Eastern European/Caucasian countries out of Russia's "sphere of influence"?

And also, do you believe the EU should keep the door open for Belarus, despite Lukashenko's anti-democratic record?

Well, even these simple opinions that you quote are what I'm talking about. Russian sphere of influence? Russia stating that Europe is spreading 'influence' in Eastern Europe is a big no-no in international politics, again why? Of course we are spreading our influence, and the political arguments remain that the regions are enslaved by the evil Red Army although indirect. However, I'm tired of the general Western mind which incontextually concludes that Russia is an old, evil, dominating Empire, as well as attempting to continually alienate the nations to the west. Since of course they are an oppressive regime when they are actively acting aggressively in order to contaminate the revolts inside their nation. You know, the United Kingdom never did it. OH WAIT?

I hate reading about Russia in the newspapers and in articles since they are always biased against Russia. Sure, they do some bad decisions. However, none of the statements by Russian ministers are supported by logical arguments in Western newspapers, which I don't at all trust, since many of them actually are logical statements. They are merely printed as dictatoral proclaimations.

Russia alienating the West diplomatically might have something to do with the West alienating Russia as well.

Russia sees the EU as a rival, just as it sees NATO as its enemy?

Yes, they might be unapproving of the rising influence of the West (Their self-proclaimed enemies) just next to them. Afraid, that is. Also, I don't even like this statement, what about the NATO being created for the sole purpose of having a military alliance against Russia? This isn't included in the small question stating that Russia looked at the West as her enemies. I know it isn't intended, but it's there.

They aren't communists anymore. Get over it.

(This wasn't directed at you Winner, I don't know what you think, but I'm tired of Western 'neutral' journalistics)
 
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