On the same thread I would like to point out a few other points (for arguementing/questioning):
1. I think that countries that do not suffer from terror can afford the luxurie of criticsizing Israel's policies when preventing terror, such as belgium or sweden. but look at this: When the nazies invaded other countries the swedish cooperated with them with no problem, allowing them to install trains and take jews to their camps at will. isn't that a war crime?
2. Belgium did very horrible things on their camps in africa, isn't that a war crime?
3. Just when USA gets its 2 twin towers collapsing as result from terror, it does not question itself and bombs the hell out of afghanistan killing thousands of afghans in the way, more citizens than israel ever hurt EVER in the war against palestinien terror. yet the EU did not question these policies, and even supported USA for doing that.
4. It doesn't matter what are the background stats, but the fact is that Israeli Citizens are threatened daily by terror. The Israeli government does all it can to protect them, and yes, a siege is a very effective way to prevent terror. Is a siege worse than just randomly bombing citizens? how much citizens did Israel hurt in a 50 years battle and how much citizens did USA and Britain hurt in a 1 month battle?
I want to point out that in my (yet subjective and humble) opinion, the IDF is the most humane army in the world:
- Where else would you see a country split in half because it is hurting a few civilians in the way of killing terrorists? any country that was ever in war against anything was united in their opinions to smash everything in the way. the european wars carried millions of victims while Israels war with palestinien terror carries only very few innocent victims.
- Where else would you see army-generals refusing to shoot other nations people because they are young or manipulated, even when they shoot at you with M-16, Ak47's, molotov cocktails, grenades and threaten your life just like you threaten theirs.
- Where else would you see an army that is willing to sacrifice its own life in order to prevent death of a few palestiniens? Israeli Outposts are getting attacked every day by palestiniens, something that randomly bombing like USA does could prevent.
- Where else would you see a country that hurted almost no citizens while killing terrorists? are operations are carefully planned up to the minute and only one in a 100 cases goes screwed up and hurts 1 or 2 citizens.
Let me ask you a question: How can war happen without civilian casualties? last month there were much more Israeli civilians dead than palestinien civilians, even though we have a massive bigger and better army. we dont kill 100 palestiniens for every dead israeli, for gods sakes, we didnt kill 1 palestinien in our last 10 retaliations for palestinien suicide attacks! we only bomb empty infrastructure/terror housing buildings, and we even notify the people to evacuate the building before bombing it! and even on that the EU sues us! for destroying god damn empty buildings they funded as part of our retaliation.
about the colonizations. Because we have people living in foreign territories does not give the palestiniens the right to kill them at free will. A MAN WHEREVER HE LIVES AND AS LONG AS HE DOES NOT THREATEN OTHER PEOPLE HAS THE RIGHT TO LIVE. THAT IS THE BASIS OF DEMOCRACY, DONT FORGET THAT. YET NO ONE EVER MENTIONS THE PALESTINIENS KILLING ISRAELIES IN COLONIZATIONS EVERY DAY THAT DID NOT EVEN PROVOCATE THEM.
Democracy is constructed with a rule called freedom of living. now freedom of living 'applies' in most democratic countries as long as the human does not put other people life in danger on purpose, and in most democratic countries the right of living applies more to its own citizens than to other countries citizens in times of war. the israeli colonizations does not threaten the lives of palestinien people, yet the palestinien terrorists shoot and kill israeli citizens in colonizations and inside country every day. why no one here ever complains about that?
each time a european opens a threat about the Israeli-Palestinien conflict its always about the horrible things the israelies do or about the horrible colonizations. but the fact is as meanie mean the colonizations are: there is no palestinien state, there are no palestinien defined borders, and the colonizations do not risk in any way the lives of other palestiniens.
You also have to remember this: If an arab, with fully equal rights, enters an israeli city that is full with jews, there is no quesiton about his life. he will come out just like he entered, yet if an israeli enters a palestinien village, in a peaceful way, with no guns or stones, he will be dead in the second. you remember the linch of the 4 israeli soldiers? 40 year old israeli soldiers were kidnapped, and brutally stabbed, murdered, beaten to death by the raging palestinien people. we are angry on the palestinien terrorists. we define whats a terrorist and whats not. the palestinien terrorists kill every israeli they can - women, children, old people.
You have to remember there is a big difference between killing 5 terrorists and hurting 1 civilian to secure the safety of one countries citizens, than targeting places like restaraunts, kindergardens and teen-clubs inside the green-line. there is a MAJOR difference and everyone should remember it next time they mention 'The horible things' Israel is doing to the palestiniens.
I want comments and I want a provocative arguement