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Europa Universalis IV

Discussion in 'All Other Games' started by MoreEpicThanYou, Aug 10, 2012.

  1. JohannaK

    JohannaK Ghost of Christmas Past

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    I don't think one can be guaranteed by their own junior partner. ;)

    Pics!

    As for myself, I saw the great military NIs Shimazu have and brought them from OPM to absolute Asian hegemon. It helped that while I started it on 1.20 I only got MoH halfway through, so Ming was suddenly losing Mandate like crazy while I already controlledmost of Manchuria and the Eastern Korean coast. By game's end Japan controlled all of East Manchuria, all of RL China except for Qinghai and Tibet, and had a sizeable Australian colony. Also the largest army in the world, over twice as large as the 300k Ottoman army in second place.
     
  2. Quintillus

    Quintillus Archiving Civ3 Content Supporter

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    Nope, Aragon rebelled, and I forgot to mention that Naples rebelled with Aragon. Naples has led an uneventful past decade or two; surprisingly neither Naples nor Aragon has fought the other despite both having claims/cores on each other.

    Will get some pics once I'm at my desktop; on a laptop that can barely play EUIV currently.

    I do need to go east for my next game. Decided to do France as I wanted to try a longer-term Napoleon approach with them, although I'm tempted to switch to colonialism with my neighbors' issues in that area. Not sure if I'll play this all the way through - I abandoned my single-player Ottomans game in the mid-1600s as I grew bored with too little opposition - but it's been a good way to pick up the new concepts from the last five patches, experience some country-specific events, and have some success in this part of the world, where I almost always got owned by France in the past.

    Edit: Here's a pretty recent screenshot showing both a good overview of Western Europe, and that Castile is part of the Empire. Also visible is Morocco's reconquista of southern Iberia.

    Spoiler 1920x1200 :


    First time posting a Steam screenshot link, let's see if it works... if not will fall back to Photobucket as usual.

    I am responsible for Tirol. The most recent war with England involved fighting Austria as well, as they had allied. Venice was my ally at the time and Austria had another war, so it was a perfect opportunity. Even gave Venice the province of Gorz as a reward, though the Ottomans later made them give it back to Austria.

    Spoiler Super-aggressive King Nicolas-Henri :
    Edit: Played another 8 years, till the Ides of March, 1520. I've been role-playing my young King Nicolas-Henri I more so than previous ones; he has high military skill, came to the throne as a lad of 8, and by the time his regency ended, has a very strong military. After some practice helping the Poles against the Teutons, he has led a very aggressive expansion, displaying the brash overconfidence of youth, but with a strong enough army to reinforce that confidence.

    Thus, I'd already taken enough of Savoy to concern my neighbors by 1512, as well as what was left of Provence. Over the next six years, I took two provinces from Aragon, and four more in three wars in the greater Savoyard area, including Savoie itself. The first two of those formed a coalition, but what's a coalition to stop greatness? I also took two provinces for one of my vassals, bringing the sum of provinces taken in the area to a half-dozen, with the number of nations outraged enough to join a coalition exceeding 20 (though not all had joined)

    But Nicolas-Henri decided the coalition wouldn't dare fight a strong France, and declared on Switzerland when their truce expired prior to their joining the coalition, in an attempt to take 4 more provinces and fulfill his Italian Ambition. This war was largely succeeding, when after an exchange of insults, the vile English declared a punitive war on France, with their 18 other coalition members plus Sweden joining the war. Poland, the Pope, and Scotland fought alongside France; the coalition had about 150,000 troops versus about 100K for France and allies - a very large conflict for this early (1518).

    Meanwhile, France remained at war with the Swiss, the Palatines, and friends. After several months, and having defeated the Emperor's main army once in combat, Nicolas-Henri decided to settle for one province gained in the war, despite a 41% war score - being at war with over twenty countries, even if most were small, meant that risking continued combat and losses with the Emperor were not wise. This pushed the number of countries sufficiently outraged to join a coalition to 29, though most of those were already at war with France.

    The strategy in the coalition war was a largely defensive one, with a secondary goal being to defeat the foes from south to north, Naples being the southernmost, and using a combined armies of about 30,000 in combat to maximize victories over the mostly smaller enemy forces. This proved quite effective; before too long the Superiority wargoal (> 10% warscore from battles) was met and exceeded. England would land troops in southwestern France, only to be annihilated in battle, all while Scotland bore down on and eventually occupied London. Hungary would overlook their own outrage over France's expansion in favor of declaring war on Venice to gain land of their own. And Poland would effectively keep much of Central Europe tied up with their considerable army.

    On the downside, a civil war in France would begin in the middle of the punitive war. Do they not realize the greatness of a king who can defeat 20 nations at once?

    Still, by the Ides, France enjoyed a warscore of over 40% against the coalition - the English had not realized just who would be punished in this punitive war. Although England is not yet quite willing to make peace, Nicolas-Henri is confident of victory against the coalition. The civil war? That may require a few mercenaries to supplement the sinking manpower, but that's what filling the treasury with spoils of war from the earlier conquests was for!
     
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  3. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Where do you find the time to play this?
    Anyway, never tried EUIV. EUIII was very addictive. Started with EU1 and then EU2 back in the day ;)
     
  4. JohannaK

    JohannaK Ghost of Christmas Past

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    EU2 was my first pdox game back in 2011. A classmate gave it to me brand new, even wrapped in the original plastic, confessing to having not touched it in ten years.
     
  5. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    First time i saw Eu2 was when it had some promo pictures on an actual printed computer game magazine, in some news-stand in the Liverpool Street train station, central London. Probably first year of my uni studies, or thereabouts... :)
    I recall vividly that i didn't like the arrogant tone of the article/promo review writers, where they titled one image with a map as "popularity of high hats in medieval Europe" :D
    And they noted that the game seems to be fan-service and not meant to attract people who didn't like Eu1.
     
  6. Quintillus

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    Evenings or weekends when I have nothing planned. Not having any kids definitely helps. It's also probably been half of my gaming time over the past 3 years.

    But I also go a few months playing it, then a few months not playing it.

    That's when I first playing EU2 as well! I bought it online from Gamersgate for cheap; it was affordable on my student budget. Once I had a post-graduation job lined up that summer I sprung for EU3, and never looked back.
     
  7. stfoskey12

    stfoskey12 Emperor of Foskania

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    So I'm playing a game as France, and England, Burgundy, and Provence all have an alliance against me. Brittany is my vassal but they're only one territory. I got Scotland through a royal marriage without trying. I have a couple colonies in West Africa but that's all I have overseas. Spain seems almost as powerful as it actually was in the 1500s. I could maybe try expanding into Italy but there are so many alliances I think it would be a challenge. Anyway I'm fairly new to the game so I'm wondering what you recommend. I have the second largest army but I can't fight off large alliances effectively. What do you recommend I do?
     
  8. jackelgull

    jackelgull An aberration of nature

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    You ever heard the six degrees of separation theory, the idea that all people in the world are connected to each other through six people? Well, apply that idea to alliances.

    Let me explain. Say England is allied to Burgundy and Provence, and they're too strong to face on your own. Well, who are England's allies allied too? If you're lucky, you'll find that Provence is allied to some HRE minor who only has Provence as their ally. Attack that minor. It will drag Provence into the fight. Move on Provence like a (insert word of your choice) and get enough war score to force it to break it's alliance with England. It doesn't matter what you do with the minor after it served its purpose. Also, don't get nervous if you don't have a casus belli, war without a cb is 2 stab + 2 we. That's roughly 200 adm and 75 dip. Expensive yes, but not as expensive as that big war you avoided. And don't worry. You're probably not gonna have to no cb often
     
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  9. stfoskey12

    stfoskey12 Emperor of Foskania

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    I could maybe fight Tuscany, Austria, and Provence but I'd have to count on Austria having trouble crossing Switzerland, which I'm not sure I can do. I'd obviously need to boost my stability first, and would probably fabricate a few more claims. Do you think I could take on Austria/Tuscany/Provence? I played a little more tonight without declaring war. Burgundy is a junior partner of England, so a war with Burgundy automatically leads to war with England.
    Here are some screenshots:


     
  10. cardgame

    cardgame Obsessively Opposed to the Typical

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    France is stronk, you can steamroll Provence and then focus all your military on Austria (who will probably have no trouble moving through HRE provinces to reach you). Tuscany can be almost disregarded.
     
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    jackelgull An aberration of nature

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    More or less, although without lots of artillery it'll take some time to siege down Provence, and if that gives Austria time to join up with its ally, that'll mean bad things. Especially given the recent changes that forts always give the owner a defensive bonus.
     
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    stfoskey12 Emperor of Foskania

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    I got Anjou but that was all I could get with my war score against Provence. My total war score was negative most of the time because my allies were losing. I managed to get a white peace from Austria and Tuscany after getting Anjou, waiting a long time, and winning a couple battles. Unfortunately, the war made me broke, so I'm now ~900 ducats in debt and making only 3.8 ducats/month, and that's with all my forts mothballed and my army maintenance as low as possible. Also, I got excommunicated, so my diplomatic options aren't the best.
     
  13. stfoskey12

    stfoskey12 Emperor of Foskania

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    I started another game as the Ottomans. I'm doing alright, but not well economically or technologically. Any ideas? I think I relied too heavily on harsh treatment to handle rebels early on, which slowed me down.


     
  14. JohannaK

    JohannaK Ghost of Christmas Past

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    Yes, you are doing alright but nowhere near as good as a player or just the AI can do with the Ottomans. This late, I dont know what you could do. Save up as much money as possible, save up on monarch points to buy the tech...
     
  15. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Moderator

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    I do wonder what you've been doing for 200 years. No one expects you to pull an Arumba or DDRJake at any time, let alone when not very good, but you seem to have grabbed, what, just 20 provinces in over two centuries?
     
  16. stfoskey12

    stfoskey12 Emperor of Foskania

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    What should I have done? I know I should have vassalized Crimea when it was a bit bigger, and maybe been more aggressive, but I'm not sure what else.

    I got around 30-40 provinces I think. But every war in the past hundred years would send me well into debt, which would take 5-10 years to pay. And I allied with Alodia against the Mamluks, and they kept dragging me into wars. Also, I was scared to attack the Mamluks for a while, because their force limit was about as big as mine, and I figured a war with them wouldn't get me anywhere.

    I'm really not sure how to handle economics; I started another game as England and had seven loans by 1470. Granted, I was busy taking parts of Ireland and getting into an Aragon v. Castille war in Spain, but still. I do try to cut military funding during peacetime and mothball my forts, but I can't do that as much when I have unrest and have to fight off rebels.
     
  17. jackelgull

    jackelgull An aberration of nature

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    OK dude, this is where you got the first part wrong.
    A) You should not be scared of the Mamluks - they should be scared of you. As soon as you get your cores you should be preparing to bend the Mamluks over a table.
    B) No longstanding alliances against the Mamluks. There's literally 0 need after the first war. So ally Tunis and/or Alodia, promise them land in the first war, then break your promise and the alliances. Alliances are not obligations, they are mechanisms to serve your own interest.

    I can't comment on your money problems except to say loans are only bad if you go bankrupt.
     
  18. grandad1982

    grandad1982 Deity

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    I started a game up for the first time in ages last night, only looked in briefly since mare nostrum.

    I forgot about all the things you need to keep an eye on.

    The two things I forgot that really screwed me were the straight between africa and gib and that if the enemy attack you while you siege their fort your the attacker! As Portugal I lost my entire 18 stack in Fez when Morocco and granada attacked me. Doh! I guess the real mistake was not waiting a couple more years to hit tech 4 and be able to call spain in to help to.

    After playing a bit of Stellaris recently eu4 just feels like a game with real meaningful choices.
     
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  19. Quintillus

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    stfoskey12 - My suggestion in general would be to focus more on economic buildings; in both games you mentioned running up considerable debts while at war and having modest surpluses even when the army is at minimum funding. Perhaps taking an economic or trade idea earlier too. The sinews of war and gold and men, as they say, and spending a bit less on military early on, to develop the economy, can pay off in spades later.

    Another thing that I typically do is only keep forts funded if I expect they may be involved in combat in the near future. By default the game fully funds all forts when a war starts, but as a larger nation most wars won't threaten all your forts. So I generally uncheck that option on the military tab. Then I'll fund only those forts that are near a front during that war (and perhaps a few along other boarders as insurance lest someone else attack - but not all my forts).

    With rebels, it's similar. Fund forts near where you expect rebels, but don't keep your armies funded all the time. Start funding them once they reach 80-90% organization, or 6 months or less from likely rebellion. If your army morale is still poor when the rebels revolt, that's okay, wait a few months; the forts will keep any damage they cause contained. Harsh treatment should generally be a last resort when there are simply too many rebels (which is rare outside of disasters or way too high of overextension), or only used when there is excess military power to burn. I tend to use it only when I have military points with nothing to spend on, or when previous wars and revolts have bled my manpower (including troops in the field) to dangerously low levels.

    In the Ottoman game, my suggestions would depend on possible alliances. I wouldn't mess with that Commonwealth, but Austria might help against Venice, and Persia's eastern neighbor could prove a valuable ally (and Persia is likely the easiest of your neighbors to defeat). Timing is also key; the one time it may have been possible to mess with the Commonwealth is right after their war with Russia started, especially if Nogai, Sweden, or perhaps even Bohemia were an ally. Now Russia has been reduced too much to be a counterweight in this war, but if they don't lose too much land perhaps you can wait for the next time the Commonwealth is at war with them (and similarly with other neighbors and their eventual wars).
     
  20. stfoskey12

    stfoskey12 Emperor of Foskania

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    I was able to expand somewhat and get a decent economy in the next hundred years. But then Genoa declared war on me with their allies Venice and France. I was able to peace out with Venice and lost about five territories, and then a year later get a small sum of gold from Genoa in that peace deal. It wasn't the best war, but it could have been worse. Here's my empire during that war. I think I could have had a better game with more aggressive early expansion and better money management.
     

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