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Europe Becomes more like America everyday

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Strider, Sep 13, 2005.

  1. Marla_Singer

    Marla_Singer United in diversity

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    That's rather pointless Masquerouge as 80% of cars in Paris intra-muros comes from Paris extra-muros.

    How is this faster and cheaper ? Do you think it's not expensive to park a car during a whole day in a car park ?

    What pisses me off the most in Paris is the segregation between the "City" and the "Banlieue". I can't bear this anymore. Parisians always talk as if they were only 2 million leaving between themselves and ignoring the 8 million people around. The Banlieue in Paris is almost considered as Soweto was in South Africa.

    If you ban cars from Paris, you cut a bit more Paris from its banlieue. You increase the distance. You don't even realize how elitist this could be. We should break those walls between the 75 and the rest of the city, not reinforce them even more.

    Talking about NYC, you were pretending Paris subway was as great as NYC subway, if not even greater than the NYC Subway. But I'm sorry, it isn't.

    If New York had the same subway system as Paris, then the subway wouldn't go in Brooklyn, the Queens or the Bronx. Then the subway would stay in Manhattan and would go nowhere else. That's EXACTLY what Paris subway is.
     
  2. Masquerouge

    Masquerouge Chieftain

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    yes, that's exactly why we should ban them. Boooo bad cars.

    Last time I checked most parkings close to RER stations were free.

    People in Soweto will be glad to hear that, I guess. And I was a strong supporter of reducing cars even when I lived in the Banlieue. :p

    Why would it be more elitist ?

    Oh yes it is.

    Yes, but Paris has the subway AND the RER. The RER goes to the suburbs. And that's not even talking about the SNCF trains.
     
  3. Elrohir

    Elrohir RELATIONAL VALORIZATION

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    Does anyone actually read my posts? I said, and I quote:

    Deflating a tire is illegal. Beating them up over it would probably be illegal too, but that's why you don't go around messing with people's cars. Peaceful protests are fine, but destroy property and people will get really annoyed.

    If there is actual torture going on at Guantanamo Bay then I would condemn it. But the most I've heard of is a women in a bikini interrogating prisoners and acting sexy to make them mad. Not exactly dignified, but hardly torture.

    I have no problem with people wanting cleaner air. If they were having a peaceful protest I really wouldn't care. I really don't care about your ideas. But when your ideas involve inconveniencing me and destroying my property, then I care.
     
  4. GrandAdmiral

    GrandAdmiral Chieftain

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    I don't think this is terrorism but it is certainly stupid and deserves punishment. If its vigilante justice then so is a good smack across the face if you get caught. You don't mess with a man's ride, thats just common sense.
     
  5. luiz

    luiz Trendy Revolutionary

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    Indeed.
    Why are SUVs so bad anyway? Because most owners don't need it? Well, nobody needs wine, or a DVD player or countless other things.

    I'm sick of fascists telling me what I can and what I can't have. If I like big 4x4 cars and I can afford them, I'll surely buy them and all those eco-nazis can go to hell.
     
  6. Steph

    Steph Multi Many Tasks man Retired Moderator

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    Pollution? Oil scarity in the future? Dangerous to others in case of accident?
    Takes larger spot to park? To noisy? Damage the brain of the users?

    The impact of a DVD player on the environment is a little less than a SUV

    Well, they are probably sick of egoist people who think only of their own pleasure without thinking of the society in which they live. And if Hell exists, I'm not sure you will be the last there with such reasoning
     
  7. Hakim

    Hakim Parasocial

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    I found it hard to get worked up about SUVs.

    These problems are more efficiently handled by petrol taxes and general regulations instead of attacking a specific car type or user.
     
  8. The Last Conformist

    The Last Conformist Irresistibly Attractive

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    Well, unless, they've changed them recently, American regulations encourage the driving of SUVs.

    I still want to know what's "American" about these punks' behaviour.
     
  9. storealex

    storealex In service of peace

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    Newsflash:

    Places in the world is becoming more like other places of the world.
     
  10. luiz

    luiz Trendy Revolutionary

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    BS.
    My family has a Ford Explorer and a Fiat Tempra. Recently we had to have both cars checked, to renew the license.
    Guess which one pollutes more? The Tempra, by very very far.

    Fact is a modern SUV will pollute less then an old car. And the Tempra isn't even that old, it's from 1999.

    Imbeciles will call me the devil fro having an Explorer, and yet nobody ever criticised me because of the Tempra. Why? Well, because imbeciles are, after all, imbeciles.

    Here's news: if I have the money and it's within the law, I'll do as I please.
    And I for one don't believe in hell, though that's an appropriate place to tell econazis to go.
     
  11. luiz

    luiz Trendy Revolutionary

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    Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think that the OP made the american reference about the part of the article that mentions that SUVs are increasingly popular in France and Europe as a whole. (and there is an increasing reaction to it)
     
  12. Bozo Erectus

    Bozo Erectus Master Baker

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    The problem with SUVs is more with the amount of gas they consume, not how much pollution they emit. The more gas we need to power our needlessly large vehicles, the more money is transferred to Saudi Arabia. The more money sent to Saudi Arabia, the more they can finance global terrorism.
     
  13. cgannon64

    cgannon64 BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!

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    That's just what I love to hear about: Jerks hiding behind a philosophy.
     
  14. HighlandWarrior

    HighlandWarrior Mr Political Analyser

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    what if you have four small children, are you supposed to hire a driver if you want to take them to the football game?

    I think everyone should drive an SUV, then saudi arabia will run out of oil. :D
     
  15. luiz

    luiz Trendy Revolutionary

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    Our Explorer and our Tempra have roughly the same gasoline consumption.
    And that's because the Tempra is not very old. The car we had before the Tempra, a 1989 Chevrolet Monza, consumed more then the Explorer.

    Would those freaks flatten the tires of my Monza or of my Tempra?
     
  16. luiz

    luiz Trendy Revolutionary

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    That's of course a valid point, but you don't have to justify buying a SUV.
     
  17. Bozo Erectus

    Bozo Erectus Master Baker

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    They should. Nahh, j/k. I only have real animosity towards people who drive Hummers.
     
  18. The Last Conformist

    The Last Conformist Irresistibly Attractive

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    Never heard anyone use that to justify buying a SUV before. It is the usual reason cited to get a minibus.

    Or you could do as my parents did, and get a volvo combi with extra seats mounted in the luggage area. (Yes, I do realize that a modern SUV, at least if on the smaller side, guzzles less gas than that monster did. That wasn't the question.)
     
  19. The Last Conformist

    The Last Conformist Irresistibly Attractive

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    That would make sense.
     
  20. Mise

    Mise isle of lucy

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    Four small children can fit in the back seat of most hatchbacks and saloons.
     

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