Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Winner, Sep 28, 2005.
So the Europe finally realizes it needs a human spaceflight
Ducks and drakes.
Never beat NASA, me thinks!
You thinks wrong.
In Soviet Russia, spaceships fund you!
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Well, just keep thinking that. I won't be the one to wake you up when it's over
It is perhaps a telling fact that this is only a 'people carrier', clearly a future US program would have to lug anything other than people into orbit.
On the other hand, a dedicated manned launch vehicle would probably be safer than a more complex craft - like the old shuttle. And NASA could benefit from any new technology developed from this clipper to use on their next generation orbital vehicle - which I guess would definitely have a large cargo capacity.
But NASA is building a shuttle replacement concurrently with these guys so any technological advancements would really go towards the next next generation vehicle.
I reckon the Clipper will be an excellent counterpart to the ESA ATV (Automated Transfer Vehicle) which is designed to haul several metric tonnes of Cargo to the International Space Station.
Hey NASA! Competition! Better step up your efforts or you will lose to Europe.
(a little competition never hurts anyone. Just makes both do better.)
Even the Somalis have a better chance of getting into space! Until i see manned mission to outer space i will continue doubt Europe's space age aims.
Why do all these amercians think that the ESA and NASA are in compitition...
I know next to nothing about space agencies so if people could educate me but I thought most space techolgy was shared. (If it isn't then it should).
I mean why are we going there if it isn't for sceince. I see no other real practial use for the near future...unless you count space tourism which would only benifit a few who have the funds
If all of Europe funds the ship with alot of money, it could outdue NASA!
Europe is funding Putin's government?
Are you that angry with the US? It's kind of disturbing.
Well, if they compete, they have a goal in mind, and they work harder. If they don't, then they have no motivation. Look at the cold war. The US sent up several manned missions to the moon, and now we lost the plans to the Saturn V rockets (the Nixon Administration's fault, they deleted it) so we can't go back up there. NASA is spending the same amount of money as in the 1960s, but accomplishing 1% as much.
Seems like Europe are becoming a little less dependent on US than before. They will still do a lot of stuff together.
It's good that Europe cooperates with Russia, they're skilled in space technology - and democratic.
@Zarn: are Russia still enemies of the US?
Many of us don't like Putin and don't see Russia as any more representative than it was 20 years ago (but I can't speak for all).
Who said anything about the government? And IMHO the cash flow from North America is much higher
On the topic:
As I said several times on this forum, ESA-Russian partnership will be very profitable for the both sides. Russians have the experience and inventiveness, we have certain technologies and the money. And of course, we want to be more independent on the Americans, so the cooperation with Russians is a good choice.
As you surely know, ESA will also allow the Russians to use its spaceport in Kourou, French Guiana:
Of course, ESA will still cooperate very closely with NASA, but the competition will grow in time.
Few pictures of Kliper:
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