Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Winner, Jun 1, 2009.
I voted greens.
So obviously not participating in democracy will yield more democracy.
No one else is really that bothered, they have other avenues to power. UKIP only ever get any votes in the EP election, so if they want to keep the money coming in they have to do well here. /cynical
It ammends and approves/rejects the majority of legislature coming from the Commision, although there are some areas where it has no say yet. It also has to approve the Commision and has the power to sack the Commisioners. If the EP parliament elections where more closely tied with who becomes Commision president people might be more interested... oh well.
Voting for a person not affiliated with a party for no other reason then he deserves the high paycheck most of those bastards and also has a chance to get in there.
Remember that the nazis never boycott the elections.
I'll vote for the Social Democrats.
How about you boycott, and i'll have more say. For every vote not cast my vote becomes worth more, and I'm voting for a Pro-EU party.
Jesus Bast, you're not even European.
You didn't even give me a chance to guess!
Doesn't mean she can't have an opinion, even on matters she knows little about.
You've got that right. Here in Britain Labour will get slaughtered on Thursday not just because of its present troubles but more because it has been in power so long and is blamed, rightly or wrongly, for everything that is wrong with the country today. Not really fair but the public are no longer in any mood to forgive them.
Green guy for the county elections came round so he can have my vote over the libs in the county elections - completely irrelivant since the tories have it tied up with something like 70% with the other parties c. 10%. Euro vote still for the Libs.
Oddly the Lib Dems despite being by far the least implicated on the major parties are not making any ground. Also oddly despite the most memorable abuses - the moat cleaning and the duck island - being by the tories they are the ones making a killing. Lab are in an era defining collapse. People discussing what it would mean if they come out of the euro elections in forth place.
I knew I forgot something...
BTW, is it still true that getting involved with Brussels (either as a Commissioner or MEP) means that you're finished in British politics? Yes, minister is kinda old now, so I am curious if this rule changed in the past 20 years.
Voting tomorrow... either Liberal Democrat (D'66 in the Netherlands) or Green. Can't quite decide which one yet, though.
no EU citizen. If I were I'd probably vote for the Liberals or the Greens. Most likely the Liberals.
Using "Yes Minister" as a template of political reality would be grossly misleading. As a satire it was brilliant in exposing some the worst absurdities of British political life but totally inaccurate as a generalization. There has never actually been a rule that says a job in the EU meant the end of your political career. But it has often seemed that getting a plum job in Brussels was akin to being put out to pasture. Most British people have such a low regard for the EU and its impact on their lives that they have no idea who their MEP or Commissioner even is. Even people like me who are somewhat knowledgable would be hard-pressed to name a single one.
The exception to this is Peter Mandelson. Sacked and reappointed twice to the cabinet, landing the EU Trade Commissioners job then being invited back into Brown's cabinet for the third time, "Mandy" is everybody's favourite come-back kid. What he does after Labour's debacle on Thursday is anybody's guess. Though an invitation to join a new Tory administration is well within the range of likely possibilities.
Well, "Yes Minister" certainly offers a funny yet accurate insight into British political mentality.
Anyway, EU institutions are abused as a dump of inconvenient politicans in most EU member states. The Czech Commissioner is our former social democratic Prime Minister who was ousted during a party coup after just 2 years in office. His party comrades were afraid he could rally supporters and subvert their new "regime", so they made him a Commissioner - now he's a thousand kilometers from Prague doing what he always wanted to do and bound by EU rules not to interfere with national politics - everybody is happy
It's the same with MEPs, only a handful of them are people who actually want to do EU politics, the rest are just people who their parties want to keep out of public eye or opportunists who want a nice, well-paid job and some attention.
Current UK Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg started out as an MEP before becoming a regular MP then party leader. So it's not always a dumping ground.
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