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Europe's New Spaceship

Discussion in 'Science & Technology' started by ArneHD, Feb 3, 2008.

  1. ArneHD

    ArneHD Just a little bit mad

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7217726.stm

    Perhaps this can replace the space shuttle? Or will it simply augment it?
     
  2. dutchfire

    dutchfire Moderator Moderator

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    Well, I guess the main issue with this spacecraft is that it can only be used once. The next one will likely fly in 2010, according to the article, so that's one spacecraft every two years, that's probably not enough. So I think it will augment it.
     
  3. Vincour

    Vincour Moderator Moderator

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    It's sort of useless that they spend years and a load of materials to make one ship, dock it for a couple months, and then just dump it in the ocean...

    Perhaps NASA and all those other space program companies should find a way to actually make landing possible and safe?
     
  4. Abaddon

    Abaddon Chieftain

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    A resuable craft, aswell as more efficient take offs are the most important things we need to overcome to really get into space.
     
  5. Strider

    Strider In Retrospect

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    It will most likely be used to augment the Orion spacecrafts. Remember that the Space Shuttles are all being retired within the next decade (2014?).
     
  6. mdwh

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    According to Wikipedia, they will be retired in 2010. And the new Orion takes over in 2014. So yes, that's 4 years without manned spaceflight capability for the US.
     
  7. Genocidicbunny

    Genocidicbunny Bug squasher

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    The US already had a year or two where it lacked manned space flight ability and had to use Russia to get to the ISS.

    I doubt it will be the end of the world if the US lacks the ability for another 4 years.
     
  8. Falcon02

    Falcon02 General

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    The ATV is not designed for manned spaceflight, it is only intended as a cargo ship for now, to bring supplies and new experiements to ISS at a relatively cheap price.

    Now whether or not a Manned adaptation of the ATV is in the future, I don't know. But as for manned spaceflight for now Shuttle and Soyuz (and techincally Shenzhou) are the only tickets to space. At least until Orion comes around.
     
  9. Masquerouge

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    I just browsed Orion's Wiki page... is it me, or does it look just like the Appolo crafts?
     
  10. Strider

    Strider In Retrospect

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    It would make sense. The Orion crafts are made to make it to the moon (like the Apollo's did). The current shuttles can not make it to the moon.
     
  11. Falcon02

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    The Shuttle is too massive for it's own good for the most part.

    It's got a large payload bay which is good for servicing missions and building a space station (This was really the Shuttle's primary design purpose). However it's not that good for just getting people into space. That payload bay is extra weight you may not need/want to bring up every time you're just swapping crews with the ISS, or you're going to the Moon.

    A Capsule (ie. Apollo, Orion, Soyuz) is more modular, it's primarily designed for getting people into space, around space, and back. It's heat shield is MUCH smaller then the Shuttles, and easier to maintain. It's also easier to keep protected during launch, instead of having it exposed like the shuttle's is.

    I'm sad to see the Shuttle go... but a capsule (or small space plane) is a safer and more "all-purpose" type of a spacecraft.
     
  12. Tee Kay

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  13. Genocidicbunny

    Genocidicbunny Bug squasher

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    The Buran was a failure in all respects. it was expensive, as well as not fully functional, which is also partly why it was scrapped. No, we need a better multiple re-entry vehicle. Something unlike the shuttle.
     
  14. Tee Kay

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    Or, the Russians just ran out of money.

    The Buran is in many ways superior to the US shuttle, but was developed at the unfortunate time of the decline and fall of the Soviet Union, so it never got the attention it needed. Anyway, the Soyuz works pretty well so the Russians keep using them instead of spending money on Buran or their space plane (can't remember the name atm).
     
  15. Genocidicbunny

    Genocidicbunny Bug squasher

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    Thats what you think. The program was doomed a while before the money ran out really.
     
  16. peter grimes

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    Here's a link to a talk by Burt Rutan (the guy who's company won the Xprize). He makes some really convincing points, especially about maturation cycles of technologies.

    I really can't wait to see what's coming in 5 to 15 years! :)
     
  17. knez

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    the guy is right in practicly everything he said...
     

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