Evolution is nonsense!

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Evolution makes no sense! Let's say you have a little model tank. If you leave it outside for a year it will break and rust and become worthless. But according to evolution, if you leave it out there for a billion years it will turn into a full-size M1 Abrams tank! And, according to evolution, hydrogen atoms (the smallest and simplist atoms) were banging together until bigger atoms were made. And then they were banging together until even bigger atoms were made, until finally, a living creature was made. The atoms would have had to have banged together to create bigger atoms almost a BILLION times! And there is a ONE IN A BILLION chance that the HYDROGEN atoms will bang together enough to change into something bigger to begin with! And where the heck did the hydrogen atoms come from in the first place? To believe in evolution, you must accept that hydrogen is eternal. And you must accept that atoms banged into each other until they formed the first living creature. This is a one in a billion squared chance! If it is so easy to accept that hydrogen is eternal, what makes it so hard to believe that there is a force (namely, God) which is eternal? And if it so easy to believe that something with a one and a billion squared chance of happening happened, what makes it so hard to believe that the eternal force (God) was all-powerful and decided to make the universe? Evolutionists will say that their belief is not faith-based. But I see that evolution requires a lot of faith!

I would like to hear your answer on this. Thank you.
 
I'm blind ! Oh, the ignorance.
 
Puglover, how much have you read about evolution with an open mind?
 
The question is, has he read anything about evolution that didn't come from "Creationists R US"? But again, he's just 12.
 
okay kids time to settle down, degenerative flame war is my calling card.

Instead of name calling, tell him why he is wrong, which shouldnt be hard to do. Puglover you are grossly misinformed about evolution, basically what you are saying is that you dont believe living tissue can form from non living tissue?
 
To clear things up before i begin:

Yes, I do believe in God: Jesus was the son of god, born of the Virgin Mary, rose from the dead, etc.However, I don't interpret the bible literally, word for word. Now: EVOLUTION APPLIES TO LIVING THINGS!!! Is a tank model alive?:p Hydrogen atoms didn't "bash" together to make a bigger creature, Hydrogen atoms bashed together to make molecules with the other atoms born at the beginning of the universe, to create molecules... One of these molecules was a protein-producing "amino acid". That acid generated protein to create simple "prokaryotes"...These little guys used CO2 and turned it into O2, which created favorable conditions for aerobic multicellular organisms to adapt so much to the current earth environment so as to in essence become a new organism, thus "evolving"...Why do creatures look alike, but have different genetic makeup???

Evolution in action: If it is cold, it will evolve warm blood, and perhaps fur...

Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.-Albert Einstein
 
Originally posted by Immortal
Instead of name calling, tell him why he is wrong, which shouldnt be hard to do. Puglover you are grossly misinformed about evolution, basically what you are saying is that you dont believe living tissue can form from non living tissue?

Yes. Living tissue has never been witnessed coming from non-living tissue.

How have I been misinformed?
 
Originally posted by Amenhotep7
To clear things up before i begin:

Yes, I do believe in God: Jesus was the son of god, born of the Virgin Mary, rose from the dead, etc.However, I don't interpret the bible literally, word for word. Now: EVOLUTION APPLIES TO LIVING THINGS!!! Is a tank model alive?:p Hydrogen atoms didn't "bash" together to make a bigger creature, Hydrogen atoms bashed together to make molecules with the other atoms born at the beginning of the universe, to create molecules... One of these molecules was a protein-producing "amino acid". That acid generated protein to create simple "prokaryotes"...These little guys used CO2 and turned it into O2, which created favorable conditions for aerobic multicellular organisms to adapt so much to the current earth environment so as to in essence become a new organism, thus "evolving"...Why do creatures look alike, but have different genetic makeup???

What is the chance of an atom banging together to make an amino acid?


Now: EVOLUTION APPLIES TO LIVING THINGS!!! Is a tank model alive?

Okay. Then how about an apple tree. If it gets rained on for a billion years will it turn into a pear tree?
 
It's all random, but it just happened that way...You see? Everything in our universe has happened of random events...It was pure chance that it would become an amino acid...The chances were small, but it happened anyway...Kinda like the question : Why did my dice turn up <insert number above 1 here>?
 
Originally posted by puglover
Evolution makes no sense! Let's say you have a little model tank. If you leave it outside for a year it will break and rust and become worthless. But according to evolution, if you leave it out there for a billion years it will turn into a full-size M1 Abrams tank!
I don't even feel like responding to this one.

And, according to evolution, hydrogen atoms (the smallest and simplist atoms) were banging together until bigger atoms were made. And then they were banging together until even bigger atoms were made, until finally, a living creature was made. The atoms would have had to have banged together to create bigger atoms almost a BILLION times! And there is a ONE IN A BILLION chance that the HYDROGEN atoms will bang together enough to change into something bigger to begin with!

Without getting to into stellar physics too much, a one in a billion chance that a collision will result in something is nothing considering that there are billions of billions of billions, etc, of atoms in the universe. And just where did you come up with this?

And where the heck did the hydrogen atoms come from in the first place? To believe in evolution, you must accept that hydrogen is eternal. And you must accept that atoms banged into each other until they formed the first living creature. This is a one in a billion squared chance!

We will probably never know exactly where matter came from in the first place, but since we're here, it happened, and that's all that really matters. I'm not sure how evolution requires eternal hydrogen either.

If it is so easy to accept that hydrogen is eternal, what makes it so hard to believe that there is a force (namely, God) which is eternal? And if it so easy to believe that something with a one and a billion squared chance of happening happened, what makes it so hard to believe that the eternal force (God) was all-powerful and decided to make the universe? Evolutionists will say that their belief is not faith-based. But I see that evolution requires a lot of faith!

Besides using two different connotations of faith, this seems the most reasonable paragraph in this post. I for one believe in evolution and God, and see no reason why belief in one excludes belief in the other. Why couldn't evolution be the way God decided to make species?

I would like to hear your answer on this. Thank you.

So given. Anyone else?

EDIT: As I was typing, all of the above took place, hope everything I said still fits in.
 
Yes, I believe in Evoluton and god...science ha gaps that religion can fill, and vice versa.:)
 
Okay, modern evolutionary synthesis idea, here's the scheme

The universe starts out with the Big Bang (Or Intersecting branes, you crazy string theorists ;) ). Tiny local variations produce galaxies that have stars in them. These stars heat themselves by burning hydrogen into larger atoms (Up to Iron) after they run out of this fuel they explode and form heavier elements (Past Iron) this process makes the bigger atoms that we see every day. After billions of years of this occuring a cloud of gas and heavier stuff forms the planets and solar system. On earth things occur (such as lightning and UV radiation) that form simple molecules called monomers), these form polymers which form protobionts (early celllike structures) and cells. The cells that reproduce spread their genetic material while the cells that don't can't, so only the cells that reproduce pass on genes, so eventually things become more and more adapted to reproduce and you end up with things like people and pugs and trees
 
Originally posted by puglover
Yes. Living tissue has never been witnessed coming from non-living tissue.
Guess plants don't exist then. At least non-carnivorous ones.
 
Plants are living:p
 
Originally posted by Amenhotep7
It's all random, but it just happened that way...You see? Everything in our universe has happened of random events...It was pure chance that it would become an amino acid...The chances were small, but it happened anyway...Kinda like the question : Why did my dice turn up <insert number above 1 here>?

The chances aren't small. They are monumentally small! Sure, maybe an amino acid might pop up, but there is another 1 in an uncountable number chance that it would create a living thing.
 
damn, I get a phonecall from the girlfriend and two people steal my response!

Photosynthesis creates living matter from non-living matter.
 
Originally posted by puglover
Yes. Living tissue has never been witnessed coming from non-living tissue.

How have I been misinformed?
You can't expect a process that takes billions of years over an entire planet to be done inside a small lab in a matter of a couple years!
 
All you need is one...It generates protein, which is basically what we are made up of...various proteins...When the first animal came about, DNA came around, and that controlled how the protein formed, thus is the reason we are not all deformed blobs.:cool:
 
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