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actully really when they made game. there was no reaosn for them not to add as many civlizations as they wanted to.

i mean theres what 16 civlizations they all use same units
and same research so its bascly just re doing same thing 16 times they only had two units for each civlization that was actulyl diffrent.

so it was only really like they made 32 units in whole game most games even RTS games have way more units then that.

so how civliations there are or arnt in game really is just matter how many hours they wanted to put into adding extra civlizations into the game

im sure took around total of maybe a day pre civlziation onces they got basic game done.

to add 2 or 3 civlizations into the game probably take just as much time as and work as to add double that amount.

just like im sure expasion pack probly took them maybe month or two months to make.
 
First of all, we need 2 Leaders to had this combine traits:
- Creative and Organized
- Philosophical and Industrious

What Leaders can combine them?
After know whom, and then we can focus to others Leaders and another Civ’s.

Others Leaders (OL) and Other Civ (OLC):
(OL) Rome – Augustus (1st Emperor of Rome) maybe Creative and Organized.

In his time, there was the famous “pax augusta” and literacy had is maximum peak. He revolutionize the provincial govern, adjust laws, taxes, restore justice; in short, he organized the Empire of his uncle (JC).
Ok he only became Emperor after a civil war generated by Julius Caesar murder, and some “family disorder” issues.

(OLC) Babylon – Hammurabi, another candidate to Creative and Organized.

Unify Babylon. The famous Hammurabi Code (of Laws) – Organized. Creative??? OK I don’t have a clue. But the Civ it self was. Hanging Gardens!!! Perhaps Philosophical like in Civ3 as Scientific. It’s a classic CIV on Civ games!!!

(OLC) Portugal – Henrique (Infante D.) to be Expansive (of course) and ?Organized?.

Expansive is OBVIOUS new worlds to the World.
The other triad, hum!!! Spiritual no, Creative no, Industrious no. Or Organized or Philosophical!?! Organized, Infante D.Henrique need to be organized to development on his quest/project: finding new lands, new cultures, expanded the Christian belief (on the behalf of Pope) and found new cities, and all expansive have another purpose – money!!! Gold!!! $$$ €€€ £££ ¥¥¥!!! Commerce. (Financial was a triad???)
Philosophical? If you only considerate him as an entrepreneur. OK more Organized then Financial…

(OLC) Scandinavia/Vikings – Ragnar. Expansive and Aggressive.

If we combined the 4 great nations of Scandinavia (Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, Norway, ok 6 if you count Finland and Estonia), the Vikings were Expansive and attack or commercialise with other nations. If not Aggressive, Financial.
One of the most charismatic civ’s on Civ game!!!

(OLC) Hebrews/Israel – Salomon. Spiritual and Organized.
Spiritual cause the Religion fact. We all know is quite strange why civ 4 have Judaism and not Israelite civ. Maybe it’s time!
Salomon (if my memory is correct) was wise men. He construed his famous Temple, was an excellent statesmen and traders. More a peacemaker then a warlord!!!

(OLC) Carthage – Hannibal. Aggressive and ??? I don’t know!

General Hannibal, of the Carthaginian army, a great strategist and military, fought the Romans. Like BlueStar said:
Carthage. You need someone to kill Romans.
BTW which triad can be complementary with Aggressive for Hannibal?

(OLC) ??? but need to be Philosophical and Industrious.

Someone?!? I’ve no clue for this type of triads.

Others civ’s
Maya,
Zulu’s (they are the classical one of Warlord),
Khmer.
 
Zenon_pt said:
First of all, we need 2 Leaders to had this combine traits:
- Creative and Organized
- Philosophical and Industrious

What Leaders can combine them?
After know whom, and then we can focus to others Leaders and another Civ’s.

Others Leaders (OL) and Other Civ (OLC):
(OL) Rome – Augustus (1st Emperor of Rome) maybe Creative and Organized.

In his time, there was the famous “pax augusta” and literacy had is maximum peak. He revolutionize the provincial govern, adjust laws, taxes, restore justice; in short, he organized the Empire of his uncle (JC).
Ok he only became Emperor after a civil war generated by Julius Caesar murder, and some “family disorder” issues.

(OLC) Babylon – Hammurabi, another candidate to Creative and Organized.

Unify Babylon. The famous Hammurabi Code (of Laws) – Organized. Creative??? OK I don’t have a clue. But the Civ it self was. Hanging Gardens!!! Perhaps Philosophical like in Civ3 as Scientific. It’s a classic CIV on Civ games!!!

(OLC) Portugal – Henrique (Infante D.) to be Expansive (of course) and ?Organized?.

Expansive is OBVIOUS new worlds to the World.
The other triad, hum!!! Spiritual no, Creative no, Industrious no. Or Organized or Philosophical!?! Organized, Infante D.Henrique need to be organized to development on his quest/project: finding new lands, new cultures, expanded the Christian belief (on the behalf of Pope) and found new cities, and all expansive have another purpose – money!!! Gold!!! $$$ €€€ £££ ¥¥¥!!! Commerce. (Financial was a triad???)
Philosophical? If you only considerate him as an entrepreneur. OK more Organized then Financial…

(OLC) Scandinavia/Vikings – Ragnar. Expansive and Aggressive.

If we combined the 4 great nations of Scandinavia (Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, Norway, ok 6 if you count Finland and Estonia), the Vikings were Expansive and attack or commercialise with other nations. If not Aggressive, Financial.
One of the most charismatic civ’s on Civ game!!!

(OLC) Hebrews/Israel – Salomon. Spiritual and Organized.
Spiritual cause the Religion fact. We all know is quite strange why civ 4 have Judaism and not Israelite civ. Maybe it’s time!
Salomon (if my memory is correct) was wise men. He construed his famous Temple, was an excellent statesmen and traders. More a peacemaker then a warlord!!!

(OLC) Carthage – Hannibal. Aggressive and ??? I don’t know!

General Hannibal, of the Carthaginian army, a great strategist and military, fought the Romans. Like BlueStar said:

BTW which triad can be complementary with Aggressive for Hannibal?

(OLC) ??? but need to be Philosophical and Industrious.

Someone?!? I’ve no clue for this type of triads.

Others civ’s
Maya,
Zulu’s (they are the classical one of Warlord),
Khmer.



it would be kinda neat to see the Maya,

i kinda like playing on tropical jungel places and having to explore the area sening the natives and waring with them.

Zulu’s this be neat one to add also.


I also think it be kinda neat to add the 6 nations or was it the 8 nations ?

for people who dont know this was an actully nation it was alot like the USA,
with a federal govemrent so forth but it was all the eastern indiains joined to gethere as a nation, they had huge towns and forts and so forth.

it fell apart when usa britain and france aka canada got them to fight each othere.

they could throw them into game to represent all the nativa amaericans in USA and canada. becuase they are still around and do live in canada.

i also think it be kinda neat to see Australia as a civ.

i mean who dosnt love there cultra.

as for Creative and Organized i would say canada.
they did during WW2 started the merchant marines.

alot of people form USA went to canada to joiun merchant marines with out them brit would fell apart with out them shipping the goods from USA to brit britain and usa would never stood chance.

i would say if canada was in game give them Creative and Organizeation along with better traders, and or they should get a speacil transport unit.
one that can attack and transport more units then normal that have a speacil chance agint submarines. senes thats what they did do and face in ww2
 
Byzantium:

Starting techs: Mysticism, The Wheel

UU: Cataphract (replaces Knight)

Leaders:

Konstantine: Expansive and Creative

Fauvorite Civic: Organized Religion


Justianian: Aggressive and Creative

Fauvorite Civic: Hereditary Rule
 
Well they havent been mentioned in some time so I will again Put up Siam / Khmer. This culture is unlike any other in the world. Why the hell we have the "Celts" and not the Siamese/Khmer is beyond me:confused: . Hopefully in the next expansion or in Civ V we will see this great culture represented.
 
Respospolita should be in there...Glory to lithuania! That would deal with a huge chunk of previously unrepresented Europe.

Next on the list is a toss up between the first Bulgar Empire with Khan Krum and the Serbian Empire; I think the Serbs would be best to add in...Come on, they've had such a hard time recently at least they could smile a little to see their names in a game; and they were, from a balkan perspective at least, rather important for pre-ottoman times (although not as important as Bulgarians, obviously :p)

I also support the Khmer, Abyssina, Khazak horde/Dsingurs and Brazil.

Someone make a special extra Montenegro nation, just for the hell of it...All diplomatic communications with all other nations after major civ world wars gets cut off, as they only get represented with a chair with their name on it [moveable icon](as per the Paris Peace Conference). But seriously, woot Montenegro.
 
u definitely can't forget the one's who conquered the meditterenean sea and the old world, and the one's who started the letter !! they invented the alphabet !! we should see them soon !!!

Besides they may rise again
 
when i have constructed many buildings in the cities some of them disappeared, somebody knows why?? . Civ III lets you to know all the buildings you have constructed but this version doesn´t, it´s frustrating.:(
 
Actually hellfire, it is pretty much correct, that as America the first civilization you have to destroy are the Iroquoise. While we call George Washington the Father of our Country, they call him the "Town Burner", and that is exactly what he did to them. "The immediate objectives are the total devastation and destruction of their settlements", the Iroquoise weren't stupid, they fought on the side of the British. I also highly support their inclusion in the game, or perhaps the Mound Builders, the Pueblo, or bringing back the Sioux Nation.

As for Hitler, objectively he was no worse than any other Great Leader of the time. The empire of Japan was no bed of roses, and we Americans confiscated the properties of millions of Japanese and forced them to live in concentration camps on no more than the fact that one or two of them MIGHT be spying for the enemy.

The Jews certainly have valid reasons to hate his guts, but that's no reason not to include him. What could be better for a Jew than kicking his behind back to his genocidal capital city, and then burning it to the ground around him? If anything I'd say the level of controversy was a reason TO include him in the game. He's certainly one of histories great warlords.

Making the concentration camp his unique building though WOULD be crass, and not actually "unique". The SS might be a good special unit though, and some kind of super factory, his favorite civic would have to be "Caste System", as he wanted to impose a rigid racially/religiously based cast system on Modern Europe. Make him Aggressive-Imperialistic, or maybe Imperialistic-Organized since he did almost succeed in conquering and holding all of Europe, he'd have made it too, if he hadn't betrayed the Russians.

I also hope the new expansion changed the stifling role of the UN at the end of the game. . . it is really sad to be some totally foreign state, say a slave-caste system society, or a Monarchy-Theocracy, and suddenly the whole world is forced to adopt modern accepted values? Why shouldn't we have world slavery? World Caste System? Maybe even a world national religion (with Free religion being an option here too)? Whatever you can get voted in.
 
Hey every body! This is my first time posting here after a couple of months reading the forums.

some of my ideas:

More focus should be put to the war at sea.
In the age of sail there should be a more powerful (yet slightly slower) Man of war or ship of the line unit.

frigates, ships of the line, battleships and ironclads should have a 25-40% withdrawl chance and the ability to lightly damage land units. I say this because if you look at most naval battles with capital ships, rarely was one side completely annialated (trafalger and chesma are two exceptions)

nuclear submarines should definately be included (allowed to be built after completion of manhatten project)

Cruisers could also be given consideration.

im not sure if they could add this but battleships should be given ranged fire capable of bombarding ships or citys from a square away.

modern naval units should also be allowed to have an antiair craft promotion.

also aircraft carriers should be a little faster to keep up with battleships.


As for civilzations to be added i would say Byzantines (Justinian, Basil II), Austrians (Francis I), babylonians (Hammorabi or that other guy whose name starts with an N...), phoenicians (I have no idea who their king was), carthaginians (Hannibal, Hastrubal), and the dutch (Wiliam IV).
 
Welcome, cobains disease !

what we know on which civ's already mentioned or disclosed, and what Leader those new and 'old' civ's are! - based in what we know by the screenshots!!!

NEW Civ's
Shaka - Zulus
Ragnar - Vikings
Hannibal - Carthage

New Leader
Winston Churchill - England or British??? (WWII project?)
Stalin - Russia or URSS??? (WWII project?)
Augustus Caesar - Rome (New Leader??? or a Roman scenario???)
 
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