expansion - how fast?

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  1. kasperaksel

    kasperaksel Chieftain

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    i was wondering, how fast do you build your first settlers?

    i tend to prioritize my capital, building some districts and a small defence army before expanding, what is your strategy here?

    do you sit tight - or spam settlers immediately?
     
  2. Asaris

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    I try to get a second city pretty fast, and then it depends on how much competition for land it looks like there'll be.
     
  3. CaiusDrewart

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    I set up an army first--my starting warrior plus at least two slingers. More are needed if an AI is close or there are barb issues. Then I grab a builder to get a bunch of Eurekas. The settler is next on the priority list after that.
     
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    so units, being army, builder, settler, before any buldings in the capital?
     
  5. Jmanpxl

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    My first 2 games I've gone scout-slinger-builder-slinger-settler
     
  6. alpaca

    alpaca King of Ungulates

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    For me it's more like Slinger, Slinger, Slinger, Archer, Archer, Warrior, Builder, Archer, Archer, Settler, then start working on districts and/or highly useful buildings. On Emperor and above, you want to archer rush your neighbor, which tends to provide you with 2-3 cities (either through conquest or through captured settlers).

    That said, settlers are significantly more efficient than districts and buildings at the start of the game. Due to the way district cost escalates and the larger bonuses provided, you probably want to emphasize industrial, harbor and commercial districts and keep away from campuses and theatres for the most part (unless playing for culture victory). Great persons are pretty weak and the AI always generates a crapton of points.
     
  7. CaiusDrewart

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    Yeah, if there's a good rush target, the Settler can sometimes wait a long time. The AI pretty consistently has 1 or 2 Settlers hanging around its cities (something it should be programmed not to do!)
     
  8. Ryika

    Ryika Lazy Wannabe Artista

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    What are extra cities needed for anyway early on? They don't generate much, the growth they lose by not being set up early is rather small on the grand scale.

    Overall my goal is usually to not build settlers until I have the 50% policy. Of course that only works out smoothly if the capital has enough growth to get to 6 pop for the boost, or if there's a nice target for some military action that you can actually take cities from before Horsemen kick in.
     
  9. JustMormegil

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    Depending on starting position, if capital production potential is high, than Scout -> Warrior -> Setter -> Builder. The second city -> buy builder -> chop one more builder if possible -> ...

    If capital is poor, than warrior -> settler -> find good production spot -> settle there -> buy builder -> ...

    It always depends on setup: barbs, other civs location, starting position defensiveness, city states (you can get +2 production for units, which helps with settler/builder production also), etc. Know you strength :)
     
  10. lamaros

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    Depends how much production I have. If the city has high production but low growth I will normally do it earlier. If it has very high growth I'll normally grow to around 4-5 before doing it.

    Also I don't build scouts anymore. They're almost useless against barbarians so I rarely bother unless I have a good spot where it's easy to head off any possible barbarian scouting.
     
  11. Huaojozumakurwa

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    Keep in mind that due to bonuses on Emperor and above, making a bunch of Slingers is super fast. You can even go Builder first to trigger the Inspiration by building 3 improvements, grab the policy that increases your Slinger/Archer production and the +1 hammer in all cities, and churn out Slingers/Archers every 2/3 turns. Upgrading to an Archer is only 30 gold, so you can easily build 3 Slingers while hard teching archery, upgrade them all, build another one, then destroy your neighbor with 1 warrior / 4 archers, at least on Emperor. The AI is so useless in battle that I managed to destroy 2 civilizations and 3 city states with 2 warriors and 5 archers (often split) without using a single unit.

    I used to prioritize early settlers or buildings, but seeing how quickly you can get a military up and how quickly you can conquer your first neighbor, there is no contest.

    So to answer your question, I build mass settlers after conquering my first neighbor (or when victory is assured and no more units are needed), which usually coincides quite nicely into Early Empire. I used the conquered capital to churn out settlers too, usually building 4-5 immediately to end up with 6-8 core cities. If I am alone on the rest of the continent or if the next enemy is far away, I build even more.

    Last game as Germany I conquered Greece, 3 city states and had 25 cities by 0 AD.
     
  12. Esperr

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    I try to hit at least five citys before t100, built in such a way as to maximize factory overlap early on. If I have just a flat out bad start I wont build any settlers of my own ussually. But end up with 5 citys by t100 anyway, if you catch my drift.
     
  13. Victoria

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    Am playing avoiding dominance, I always try and start on a hill.
    Scout great for those first envoys and a couple of villages before no escape is possible. Seems to help my game a lot so I build it first regardless.
    Slinger, monument, settler. Those settlers need to be out early if you are not going to try and steal them off another civ (you are easily forgiven for stealing an early settler)
    I want 4 cities quick as luxuries spread 4 ways.
    Then overseas for a few more or sweeten people up for a swapsy depending on who is near.
     
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    Scout, Builder, Settler if the city is size 2 or 3 and can make in about 12 turns. Then a Trader and then more Settlers. Fill the land with 3 to 5 cities. Purchase other stuff with gold as you go.
     
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    I usually wait until my capital is about to hit 5 population than I go for settler. Before that I make sure I have a builder or two, 2 scouts, and some army for barbs and rush defense. Scouts are extremely useful so going less than 2 is not an option, especially on a pangaea map. Building settler at 5 pop will kick the population down to 4 so I build again, city grows to 5, settler pops out again, until I am happy with my 3-6 expansions. If I notice, settler building will knock the pop down to 3 I build something in between so I don't loose workers working those precious tiles in my capital for too long. But it can be worth waiting for 50% settler production card in some cases when your expansions early will not be extremely valuable and you don't expect other civs to take your expansion locations.
     
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    Scout—slinger—(another slinger if high pressure or early war, but that usually means no setler at all)—builder—(then setler if growth is decent or another slinger first)
     
  17. Lucius_

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    I usually go scout, builder, then settler. After that all depends on the situation, could be slinger, settler, holy site. If my 2nd city can build settlers less than 12 turns with the 50% reduction policy, then it will make a settler or two as soon as it hits pop 2. To answer your question though, as quickly as reasonably possible. I'll usually try to get 4 cities up and running, with a couple districts and tiles improved, then start working on more settlers if there are still decent settling locations available.
     
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    on deity with close neighbours who are likely aggresseve: scout-army of 6-10 with a worker somewhere-capture a few cities-settler spam

    on deity with peaceful starting position: scout-builder-monument maybe-settler spam. this is assuming barbs are turned off

    the military start is actually more effective though, since an army of 10 can take many cities early on, especially on slower speeds
     
  19. avl8

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    On emperor I go scout, builder, monument (hit agoge) >> slinger, slinger, slinger, shrine, settler, settler.
     
  20. SeismoGraf

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    My recommendation would depend on how you play the game:

    A) If you grab unescorted AI settlers: just build units, take all the free settlers, eliminate your neighbours. Win on deity in under 150 turns. Walk in the park. I hope the "suicidal settlers" will be a thing of the past soon...

    B) If you don't grab unescorted AI settlers I'd suggest:

    B1) "Fast expand": Scout -> Warrior -> Settler
    B2) "Blitz expand": Warrior -> Settler (can be very strong as Rome, if you can find a good city spot in time)
    B3) "Rush": no settler, only build units to take out a city state or DoW a neighbour

    Getting a 2nd city usually improves your short-tern production by around 70% (palace gives 2h after all and you lose one pop for the settler). The main drawback of settling early is limited map knowledge.

    Barbarian waves can usually be defeated with 2 units. Rush buy a slinger for 140g if needed. Builders don't contribute enough to the early economy for their cost and there is the risk of improvements getting pillaged.

    The city centre can have up to 3 hammers or 4 food (e.g sugar marsh or citrus grassland). As usual, also consider settling on tiles that give gold/faith/culture/science.
     
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