It’s not even so much dogpiling as it is people reinforcing conversations of “your real meaning is THIS!” and a “you are a That!” that are so wrong it looks like deliberate flaming and trolling and occasionally gaslighting
The dog pile conversation is hard to articulate and easy to ridicule but it’s been a problem creeping up in 2018, got thick in 2019 hitting hard in the summer I agree, and then has waned but is still thick.
It’s not even so much dogpiling as it is people reinforcing conversations of “your real meaning is THIS!” and a “you are a That!” that are so wrong it looks like deliberate flaming and trolling and occasionally gaslighting.
It comes from erroneous compressions and the false verisimilitude of the gallery members that are engaging with more passion to their media than attention to the posts as written. The problem is that it is safely supported by being the mode opinion politically, loosely shared by even the targets, and by being the center the counter arguments are not sufficiently agreeable with those who disagree to produce a cascade of counter likes.
It’s clearly not coordinated and I think I’ve had personal conversations with all of those who do it the most and individually it’s not in bad faith. But it is in poor form and it is herding behavior, and in collection it is poison to the forum and rewards some toxic behavior that is receiving call out less often than it is dished out, and dealt by those who are largely more comfortable dishing than receiving.
I’ve long been an advocate of lighter moderation and the past decade we saw that and it’s been mostly very good. But this problem snuck up on us, and what was a good introduction of inclusive values became a platform for forum bullying by people who are “supposed to be” against that sort of thing.
It’s really up to all of you what this forum is going to be. But if you want to be the comments section of the media that validates what you already believe this will turn to utter gutter trash, so do your best to keep this place fun.
The dog pile conversation is hard to articulate and easy to ridicule but it’s been a problem creeping up in 2018, got thick in 2019 hitting hard in the summer I agree, and then has waned but is still thick.
It’s not even so much dogpiling as it is people reinforcing conversations of “your real meaning is THIS!” and a “you are a That!” that are so wrong it looks like deliberate flaming and trolling and occasionally gaslighting.
It comes from erroneous compressions and the false verisimilitude of the gallery members that are engaging with more passion to their media than attention to the posts as written. The problem is that it is safely supported by being the mode opinion politically, loosely shared by even the targets, and by being the center the counter arguments are not sufficiently agreeable with those who disagree to produce a cascade of counter likes.
It’s clearly not coordinated and I think I’ve had personal conversations with all of those who do it the most and individually it’s not in bad faith. But it is in poor form and it is herding behavior, and in collection it is poison to the forum and rewards some toxic behavior that is receiving call out less often than it is dished out, and dealt by those who are largely more comfortable dishing than receiving.
I’ve long been an advocate of lighter moderation and the past decade we saw that and it’s been mostly very good. But this problem snuck up on us, and what was a good introduction of inclusive values became a platform for forum bullying by people who are “supposed to be” against that sort of thing.
It’s really up to all of you what this forum is going to be. But if you want to be the comments section of the media that validates what you already believe this will turn to utter gutter trash, so do your best to keep this place fun.
I think a lot of that comes from people trying to preempt the person they are having a disagreement with and trying to find hidden meanings in their posts instead of just reading the actual words someone wrote and taking them at face value.
Yes at a considerable expense to the majority on the outside of the clique.My enjoyment of CFC has never been higher since this supposed rot has tainted our pure community.
And when someone declares something to be of that nature when it isn’t but the pitchforks come out and everyone is gleeing for a beatdown we’ve got ourselves a 2019 CFC thread.I think there are simply some topics not worthy of tolerating dissent on
Is David Icke the one who says Queen Elizabeth is secretly a lizard, or is he the one who says she secretly controls the international drug trade?Yes, I believe in some stuff, like stuff that David Icke says.
And when someone declares something to be of that nature when it isn’t but the pitchforks come out and everyone is gleeing for a beatdown we’ve got ourselves a 2019 CFC thread.
Shh we’re a secret!Yes to 1st question. Lizard being a reptilian race from Orion. Or, in other words. a human with DNA from this race.
That assigning someone a false position is bad for the forum and very fun for a big few.What are you trying to say?
The face value thing is a rare thing these days.
How do you define trust? Yes, I believe in some stuff, like stuff that David Icke says. I have meditated for 10+ years now. If I get some experiences who are in clear opposition to what google says, to what wikipedia says, to what scientific community says, then there people in CFT OT who dismiss me on the spot instead of trying to have a civil conversation.
Do I get a sertificate for being a person who has meditated 10+ years? I got Reiki sertificate, I got medical sertifcate saying I'm qualified to speak about sexual transmittted diseases.
If you have open mind, and I'm sure you and others on OT have it, it is worth for me to post stuff that to some posters look totally crazy.
Yes at a considerable expense to the majority on the outside of the clique.
That assigning someone a false position is bad for the forum and very fun for a big few.
I think there are simply some topics not worthy of tolerating dissent on
How many people were cured from cerebral palsy using your method?The face value thing is a rare thing these days.
How do you define trust? Yes, I believe in some stuff, like stuff that David Icke says. I have meditated for 10+ years now. If I get some experiences who are in clear opposition to what google says, to what wikipedia says, to what scientific community says, then there people in CFT OT who dismiss me on the spot instead of trying to have a civil conversation.
Do I get a sertificate for being a person who has meditated 10+ years? I got Reiki sertificate, I got medical sertifcate saying I'm qualified to speak about sexual transmittted diseases.
If you have open mind, and I'm sure you and others on OT have it, it is worth for me to post stuff that to some posters look totally crazy.
Yes to 1st question. Lizard being a reptilian race from Orion. Or, in other words. A human with DNA from this race.
I can't think of a time when someone was assigned a 'false position' that wasn't due to something they said or disingenuous postingThat assigning someone a false position is bad for the forum and very fun for a big few.
I think it definitely happens but it isn't as common as @Hygro made it out to be. I do agree that it was a more common vector of forum misery in 2019 than it had been in previous years. There were spats that read as if the participants (including myself) had just discovered the word disingenuous.I can't think of a time when someone was assigned a 'false position' that wasn't due to something they said or disingenuous posting
I think it definitely happens but it isn't as common as @Hygro made it out to be. I do agree that it was a more common vector of forum misery in 2019 than it had been in previous years. There were spats that read as if the participants (including myself) had just discovered the word disingenuous.![]()
I'm not sure this is even the whole problem... I see this as you saying the fundamental issue is people being unfair, as people deliberately misconstruing each other's arguments. But I think more to the point the problem is the freaking pitchforks. How quickly they come out, how often they come out, how neurotic and self-righteous the people carrying them usually are.That assigning someone a false position is bad for the forum and very fun for a big few.