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Facebook Planning to Bring Free Internet to Africa: Good or Bad?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Commodore, Oct 5, 2015.

  1. aelf

    aelf Ashen One

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    How about if someone tries to give you a FREE bullet in the head? Would you gratefully accept?
     
  2. bhavv

    bhavv Glorious World Dictator

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    I wish I could get free internet, why should they get it for free?

    Stupid westerners that think the internet should be a human right.
     
  3. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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  4. Agent327

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    Right. Do you know many Africans?

    Good.

    Why? Is that the purpose of FB?
     
  5. bhavv

    bhavv Glorious World Dictator

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    Why does it matter how many Africans I know?

    Giving away everything and anything for free has never worked to solve issues in developing countries.

    And everything has a cost. Who exactly is going to be paying for the costs of free internet across all those countries? Western taxpayers?
     
  6. Flying Pig

    Flying Pig Utrinque Paratus Moderator

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    Facebook, I assume - if people use free internet to access their free service, they are potential consumers of money-raising adverts and sources of money-raising data. This is absolutely a situation that could be good for everyone - theoretically.
     
  7. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    It would sound a lot more believable it will help people in Africa, if such companies supported/built local branches there.

    Instead of just forcing a monopoly and then selling that as being for the people.

    Teach a man to fish and he will have food for a lifetime,
    but throw him a bone and he will just develop a dependent-party mentality of hatred.
     
  8. bhavv

    bhavv Glorious World Dictator

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    If voluntary donations were all it took to fully fund for such services across the whole continent of Africa, then why are there still starving kids there?

    Surely all the donation money thats thrown at Oxfam and other such charities, and the billions invested in foreign aid via taxpayers should be all thats needed to solve all of the third world's problems.

    Forget making any efforts towards building a sustainable and profitable infrastructure in such places, and creating thousands of job opportunities, just carry on throwing all your money at them and this will fix everything.
     
  9. Flying Pig

    Flying Pig Utrinque Paratus Moderator

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    I'm sceptical that 'dependent mentality' actually exists, though I do believe that plenty of people are put into situations such that demanding things for free is the best way for them to get what they need. Given that we sell people this idea that they can work hard and make enough money to be comfortable, that means something's wrong with the situation.
     
  10. Kyriakos

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    ^It is generally a myth that the harder one works the more money they will have, anyway.
    Sadly it usually is the people who have few or virtually no morality, who get more money.

    I doubt that any regular person even aspires to have considerably more than what covers expenses and a way of life.
     
  11. Flying Pig

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    Indeed, but we base an awful lot of society and political rhetoric on it - head over to Manchester to hear the British ruling party celebrating how cutting unemployment benefits is designed to convince people that work is a good idea. 'Dependent mentality' is a myth people create to disguise - as you've just pointed out - that so many of their beliefs and prejudices are based on a myth, or less charitably a gigantic lie.
     
  12. Agent327

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    Can we assume then you know zero?

    Nobody mentioned this, so I'm not sure why you bring it up. But since you brought it up regardless, providing free services has indeed helped Africans. You see, they have the same kind of costs as everyone else, but generally have less income.

    Do taxpayers pay for FB?
     
  13. ParkCungHee

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    Also worth considering: This actually offers Africa the potential to leapfrog an expensive, unnecessary development cost.

    Consider the way cell phones effected the continent. Yes, Cell Phones permanently stunted the development of local landline systems, and that's a good thing.

    When you lock developing nations into a model of 'do it the way we did it 20-40 years ago.' They'll always be a non-competitive economy because they're always playing catch up.
     
  14. BvBPL

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    It seems to me that free internet is exactly the sort of infrastructure improvement that would encourage local growth.


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  15. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    Only it is apparently nothing of the sort, as BJ pointed out on the previous page:

    So it is only seemingly "free internet" if you constrain yourself to Facebook and a few selected apps it chooses.

    And they don't make that clear at all through the use of a blatantly misleading name: "Internet.org".
     
  16. Commodore

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    No, but neither is providing free internet. This just seems like a terribly short-sighted plan that isn't taking into consideration the potential negative economic effects that may result. All I'm really saying is that people in general, not just Facebook, need to stop and think before they just blindly give for charitable purposes. People need to start thinking about whether or not what they are giving is really helping the situation or if it's just going to ultimately exacerbate the problem.
     
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    DeWalt wants to give free hand screwdrivers to everyone in Africa under the program "tools for Africa". This is very useful for a population that has a limited number of screwdrivers. With the additional screwdrivers, many people will save a lot of labor previously consumed by using faulty tools or waiting for their turn to use the village's screwdrivers.

    However, some people are upset, arguing that DeWalt shouldn't say they are giving away tools when they are only giving away screwdrivers. They think giving away powered drill sets would be more more useful. Of course, a drill set is more useful than a screwdriver, but a drill set is also way more expensive, and DeWalt is only willing to expend so much in this charitable activity. These people think DeWalt is being nefarious because of the broad definition of tools.



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  18. amadeus

    amadeus めっちゃしんどい

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    Facebook's dollars ≠ tax dollars.

    Why is it the first thing Marxists think about is murdering their opponents? I suppose you can't build socialism unless you off all the people that realize it don't work.
     
  19. jackelgull

    jackelgull An aberration of nature

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    So if someone gifts me a dog that craps over my lawn, barks uncontrollably at my kids, and was a general pest, I shouldn't complain? I mean, even if the person gifting me this dog had good intentions, it still turned out to be an annoyance, and I'm just supposed to be happy that I didn't have to pay for it? There are things called hidden costs you know, which free market advocates seem to sweep under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist, somehow believing if they cover their ears and sing the song of work and money everything will be fine.
     
  20. hobbsyoyo

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    You don't have to use the free facebook internet either. Not seeing the problem here.
     

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