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as most hate crimes the brazilian women attack was a hoax

Doubts grow over skinhead 'knife attack' on Brazilian woman

Claims that racist gang carved initials of rightwing Swiss party into pregnant lawyer start to unravel

* Helen Pidd and Tom Philips, Rio de Janeiro
* guardian.co.uk, Friday 13 February 2009 16.23 GMT
* Article history

It was an attack that shocked two . .nations — a 26-year-old Brazilian woman living in Zurich claimed to have been attacked by racist skinheads who carved the initials of Switzerland's main rightwing party into her body and caused her to miscarry her unborn twins.

When news reached Brazil earlier this week, the foreign minister, Celso Amorim, condemned the assault as "grave" and "shocking" and called in the Swiss envoy. The president, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, said: "We want people to respect Brazilians overseas in the same way that we respect them here. We cannot accept and stay silent faced with such a level of violence against a Brazilian woman overseas."

The story was splashed across newspapers under headlines such as The Marks of Intolerance, and led most television bulletins.

But today, Paula Oliviera's story appeared to be unravelling. Swiss authorities said she was not pregnant when the attack was alleged to have happened. And according to medical experts, she may well have cut herself. The head of Zurich University's forensic medicine department, Walter Baer, said that "any experienced forensic doctor would not hesitate to assume that this was a case of self-infliction".

Chastened by the sudden twist to the episode, Brazilian officials were silent. A member of Lula's press office said the presidency would not make any official comment on the case, adding that it appeared to have taken on "new dimensions". A spokesman for Brazil's foreign ministry said it would "wait for the end of the investigation before making new statements".

Oliviera, a 26-year-old lawyer, told Zurich police she was attacked by three skinheads, one with a Nazi symbol tattooed on the back of his head, outside a Zurich train station on Monday. Pictures have shown her stomach and legs scarred with the initials of the rightwing Swiss People's party (SVP).

The woman's family told the Brazilian media she had been speaking Portuguese outside Stettbach train station shortly before the attack.

All week, Oliviera has been interviewed from her hospital bed by police and forensic experts. Her fiance said she was suffering from nightmares. "She woke up sweating and screaming," said Marco Trepp.

Police have appealed for witnesses and say they have spoken to three men who were near the scene of the alleged attack but that no one was arrested.

The SVP won 29% of the vote in the last election and is known for its anti-immigration stance.

During the 2007 election, its poster showed white sheep kicking a black sheep out of Switzerland. It caused international outrage.

A spokesman for the party, Oskar Freysinger, condemned the alleged attack and denied any involvement. "If that really was someone from our party, we wouldn't hesitate for a second. That person would be immediately kicked out," he said.
the guardian

I have noticed this lately. The multiculti fans are runnign out of arguments. Instead of attacking ideology they now attack the people who support it.
 
So how exactly does the fact that a hate crime DIDN'T happen support the idea that multiple ethnicities can't get along?
 
Good question.

Also, how does this one case backup a claim that most hate crimes are a hoax?
 
grrr, this story isn't about how most hate crimes are a hoax. This story is about how most woman are attention whores!......(zing!)
 
I have noticed this lately. The multiculti fans are runnign out of arguments. Instead of attacking ideology they now attack the people who support it.

I have noticed recently that the nativist dimwits have begun run out of any reasoning or argument for their stupid believes. In fact, I haven't read any good arguments from you, ever.
 
1) There are now doubts that the attack was real. Nobody has proven anything yet.

2) There is already a thread covering this topic.

3) Most hate crimes are not hoaxes. To suggest otherwise is absurd.
 
While I disagree with your opinions, fake hate crimes are bull too and only serve to antagonize things worse!
 
While I disagree with your opinions, fake hate crimes are bull too and only serve to antagonize things worse!

I don't think anyone would disagree with that point. In fact, the hoax could be considered a hate crime if one could demonstrate that the point of the hoax was to tarnish the image of the majority.
 
i thought the thread said i 'hate fake crimes'.
 
Hate crimes are a ******ed thing anyway and should be gotten rid of, a crime is a crime, adding stupid charges to things for PC idiots is just moronic.

I also heard on the news the other day about some black guy that beat some kid with a bat, and now the son of the black guy is claiming that the kid was some racist or something and the dad was defending him. I didn't watch the actual news to see what's happening with that if they're charging the kid with anything now, but still.
 
And your point is? It's a stupid law that goes against the law supposing to be colorblind, same as affirmative action and other such crap.
 
Motivation has always been a key element in a crime. The difference between manslaughter (killing someone accidently) and murder is motivation. The point of hate crimes is that if the motivation is towards a group rather than a specific individual, then the punishment should be more severe.
 
This will no doubt annoy genuine hate-criminals... no-one will take them seriously any more.
 
And your point is?
Are you stating that you support the KKK and Skinheads engaging in hate crimes against minorities? Or that you just don't care?

It's a stupid law that goes against the law supposing to be colorblind, same as affirmative action and other such crap.
Ah. So you are opposed to any law or act that gives temorary entitlements or preference to frequently oppressed and maltreated people?
 
Are you stating that you support the KKK and Skinheads engaging in hate crimes against minorities? Or that you just don't care?
Wow, that there may be the single biggest strawman in the history of mankind. The guy states that the fact he and the KKK have the same stance on hate crimes is just a coincidence, and you take it to mean he somehow supports the KKK. Why, he must be a Nazi himself, yes? Or maybe he just doesn't care, because he is doubtless some kind of heartless monster, who upon watching A Time To Kill stared at the screen stone-faced when the little black girl got raped, as he doesn't care.

Ah. So you are opposed to any law or act that gives temorary entitlements or preference to frequently oppressed and maltreated people?
If the law is supposed to be colourblind, that is all people have equal rights under the law, regardless of race, religion, wealth, etc., then affirmative action has no place in such a legal system.

Hate crimes are entering very dangerous territory, akin to thought crime, but I'm not here to get involved in that argument.
 
Exactly. Besides, I believe in equal opportunity, not equal position. If some poor black kid from a ghetto pulls through and gets good grades in school, hey, the story of that will help him all the more get into college on its own than just forcing some quota on the place to let him in regardless if there's better candidates to go to the school.
 
Wow, that there may be the single biggest strawman in the history of mankind.
Aw. You just spoiled my Socratic spiel before I could finish it. I hope you are happy.

If the law is supposed to be colourblind, that is all people have equal rights under the law, regardless of race, religion, wealth, etc., then affirmative action has no place in such a legal system.
In an ideal world, yes. But that's obviously not an accurate description of life in the US in the 60s when the phrase was first coined:

The actual phrase "affirmative action" was first used in President John F. Kennedy's 1961 Executive Order 10925 which requires federal contractors to "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin." The same language was later used in Lyndon Johnson's 1965 Executive Order 11246.
In 1967, Johnson expanded the Executive Order to include affirmative action requirements to benefit women.

http://www.now.org/nnt/08-95/affirmhs.html

In 1972, it was first suggested that preference be given to certain groups to get government jobs at the federal and state level, as well as federally-funded universities to help balance out the unfair employment practices that had always been in effect until that point:

While the occasional court case and government initiative made the news and stirred some controversy, affirmative action was pretty far down the list of public excitements until the autumn of 1972, when the Secretary of Labor's Revised Order No. 4, fully implementing the Executive Order, landed on campus by way of directives from the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare. Its predecessor, Order No. 4, first promulgated in 1970, cast a wide net over American institutions, both public and private. By extending to all contractors the basic apparatus of the construction industry “plans,” the Order imposed a one-size-fits-all system of “underutilization analyses,” “goals,” and “timetables” on hospitals, banks, trucking companies, steel mills, printers, airlines—indeed, on all the scores of thousands of institutions, large and small, that did business with the government, including a special set of institutions with a particularly voluble and articulate constituency, namely, American universities.

At first, university administrators and faculty found the rules of Order No. 4 murky but hardly a threat to the established order. The number of racial and ethnic minorities receiving PhDs each year and thus eligible for faculty jobs was tiny. Any mandate to increase their representation on campus would require more diligent searches by universities, to be sure, but searches fated nevertheless largely to mirror past results. The Revised Order, on the other hand, effected a change that punctured any campus complacency: it included women among the “protected classes” whose “underutilization” demanded the setting of “goals” and “timetables” for “full utilization.”[3] Unlike blacks and Hispanics, women were getting PhDs in substantial and growing numbers. If the affirmative action required of federal contractors was a recipe for “proportional representation,” then Revised Order No. 4 was bound to leave a large footprint on campus. Some among the professoriate exploded in a fury of opposition to the new rules, while others responded with an equally vehement defense of them.[4]

As it happened, these events coincided with another development, namely the “public turn” in philosophy. For several decades Anglo-American philosophy had treated moral and political questions obliquely. On the prevailing view, philosophers were suited only to do “conceptual analysis”—they could lay bare, for example, the conceptual architecture of the idea of justice, but they were not competent to suggest political principles, constitutional arrangements, or social policies that actually did justice. Philosophers might do “meta-ethics” but not “normative ethics.” This viewed collapsed in the 1970s under the weight of two counter-blows. First, John Rawls published in 1971 A Theory of Justice,[5] an elaborate, elegant, and inspiring defense of a normative theory of justice. Second, in the same year Philosophy & Public Affairs, with Princeton University's impeccable pedigree, began life, a few months after Florida State's Social Theory and Practice. These journals, along with a re-tooled older periodical, Ethics, became self-conscious platforms for socially and politically engaged philosophical writing, born out of the feeling that in time of war (the Vietnam War) and social tumult (the Civil Rights Movement, Women's Liberation), philosophers ought to do, not simply talk about, ethics. In 1973, Philosophy & Public Affairs published Thomas Nagel's “Equal Treatment and Compensatory Justice”[6] and Judith Jarvis Thomson's “Preferential Hiring,”[7] and the philosophical literature on affirmative action burgeoned forth.[8]

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/affirmative-action/

Nowadays, affirmative action itself is the real straw man. They only people who still complain about it are typically reactionaries because it has largely disappeared except for university admissions:

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/affirmativetimeline1.html

Hate crimes are entering very dangerous territory, akin to thought crime, but I'm not here to get involved in that argument.

Let me ask you a hypothetical. Let's assume for a moment that a group of racist blacks terrorize your family in a mall garage. They scream racial epithets at them and hold knives to their throats. Your familiy is convinced that they surely die. Once they are caught, what charges should they face? Simple assault?

But that's the end of it. In the case of hate crimes against blacks, the police used to be frequently involved. Quite often the perpetrators got away scot free. That's why it eventually became the mandate of the FBI.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/civilrights/civilrts.htm

http://crime.about.com/od/history/a/seale.htm

On May 2, 1964, Charles Eddie Moore and Henry Hazekiah Dee, two 19-year-old black teenagers, were hitchhiking near an ice cream stand in Meadville, Mississippi when they were abducted by members of the Ku Klux Klan.
The two were taken into the woods and beaten. They were then stuffed into the trunk of a Volkswagen, driven across the state line into Louisiana, strapped to an old engine block and some railroad ties and dumped alive into the Mississippi River.

Arrested at the time were John Ford Seale and Charles Marcus Edwards, but charges were dropped against them when the FBI turned the case over to local authorities, because the agency was busy with another case.

Klansman James Ford Seale Found Guilty
June 14, 2007
A federal jury found Ku Klux Klan member James Ford Seale guilty of kidnapping and conspiracy in the 1964 deaths of two black teenagers in rural Mississippi. The 71-year-old Seale faces life in prison.

James Ford Seale Gets 3 Life Terms
Aug. 24, 2007
A former member of the Ku Klux Klan in Mississippi was sentenced in federal court to three life terms in prison for his role in the 1964 abductions and murders of two black teenagers, Henry Hezekiah Dee and Charlie Eddie Moore. James Ford Seale, 71, will undoubtedly spend the rest of his days in a federal prison.

Court Overturns James Earle Seale's Conviction
Sept. 9, 2008
In a stunning setback for federal prosecutors trying to bring unsolved civil-rights-era crimes to justice, an appeals court in New Orleans has overturned the conviction of reputed Ku Klux Klan member James Earle Seale for the murders of two black Mississippi teenagers in 1964. The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with Seale's attorney that the statute of limitations in the case had expired.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ford_Seale

And if you think this is all "history" from our distant past and things have long since changed, guess again:

http://newyork.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/nyfo010709.htm

Ralph Nicoletti and Michael Contreras, both 18, and Brian Carranza, 21, were arrested late Tuesday and are scheduled for arraignment today before U.S. Magistrate Judge Roanne L. Mann in Brooklyn. As alleged in the indictment and other court filings, on the night of Nov. 4, 2008, shortly after learning of Barack Obama’s election victory, the group, along with a fourth friend, decided to find African-Americans to assault.

“It is shocking and sobering that allegations of racial violence continue in this day and age,” said Acting Assistant Attorney General Grace Chung Becker. “The Justice Department takes these allegations very seriously and the Civil Rights Division, working with U.S. Attorneys Offices across the country, will continue to use federal laws to prosecute individuals who conspire to commit such acts of violence and intimidation.”

As cited in the indictment and other court filings, Nicoletti allegedly drove the other defendants to Park Hill, a predominantly African-American neighborhood in Staten Island, where they came upon a 17-year-old African-American who was walking home after watching the election at a friend’s house. One of the defendants yelled “Obama!” as they passed the youth, and all four men then got out of the car and beat him, using a metal pipe and a collapsible police baton. The young man, who managed to escape and run home, suffered injuries to his head and legs.

The group then found an African-American man in the Port Richmond section of Staten Island and assaulted him, pushing him to the ground. The defendants also accosted a Latino man, demanding to know for whom he had voted, and later yelled profanities about Obama as they drove past an Election Night gathering of African-Americans at a hair salon.

The group’s final assault involved a man they mistakenly believed to be African-American, whom they spotted walking along Blackford Avenue in Port Richmond. Nicoletti hit him with the car, causing the victim to be thrown onto the hood of the car and into the front windshield, shattering it. Although the victim survived, he was in a coma for a period of time after the attack.

Hate crimes are bad, m'kay?
 
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