Faked swine flu pandemic to be investigated

[onedreamer]

No, a crap load of people got infected.

I don't know any. Actually this winter is passing with the least cases of flu than normal, among the list of my friends and collegues.

 

[Grisu]

Apparently, people take pandemic to mean "highly lethal". It isn't. It's a measure of the ability to spread.

to be precise it's a measure of how wide the virus has spread. but just because idiots believe pandemic means highly lethal, doesn't mean that the pandemic didn't happen.

It did happen. It's just that it was nowhere as lethal as the media panic tried to make us believe, but is that anything new? (hello terrorism )

 

[bhsup]

SO then is the common cold at pandemic levels? Why don't we hear the UN trumpeting about it?

 

[Grisu]

SO then is the common cold at pandemic levels? Why don't we hear the UN trumpeting about it?

because it's not just a single virus but many different variants?

 

[bhsup]

because it's not just a single virus but many different variants?

The common cold is most often caused by infection with one of the 99 known serotypes of rhinovirus, a type of picornavirus.[6][7] Around 30-50% of colds are caused by rhinoviruses.[2] Other viruses causing colds are coronavirus (causing 10-15%[2]), human parainfluenza viruses, human respiratory syncytial virus, adenoviruses, enteroviruses, or metapneumovirus.[8] 5-15% are caused by influenza viruses.[2] In total over 200 serologically different viral types cause colds.[2] Coronaviruses are particularly implicated in adult colds. Of over 30 coronaviruses, 3 or 4 cause infections in humans, but they are difficult to grow in the laboratory and their significance is thus less well-understood.[8] Due to the many different types of viruses and their tendency for continuous mutation, it is impossible to gain complete immunity to the common cold.

I'm just gonna shut up now and go pretend I didn't post in here...

 

[PiMan]

what about it was one of the 40 different viruses ?

Technically, but when the other 39 viruses make up less than 5% of the total cases of flu in the season, they are largely irrelevant.

 

[onedreamer]

if we are to make up percentages, yes you are right. If we are to speak the truth, you're making up percentages.

 

[The Imp]

You can have the flu and not experience anything beyond a sniffle.

"On present evidence, the overwhelming majority of patients experience mild symptoms and make a rapid and full recovery, often in the absence of any form of medical treatment."

"According to the World Health Organization (WHO), in the US, with seasonal flu, there are typically over 30 million cases. With 200,000 hospitalizations from flu related causes and, on average, 36,000 deaths. The seasons vary in timing, duration and severity. Seasonal influenza can cause mild to severe illness. Of those hospitalized, 20,000 are children younger than 5 years old. Over 90% of deaths and about 60% of the hospitalizations occur in people older than 65. Based on that, tthe typical annual influenza mortality rate in the US is 0.12%."

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/statements/2009/h1n1_pandemic_phase6_20090611/en/index.html


"ATLANTA - A new government estimate says swine flu has sickened about 55 million Americans and killed about 11,160."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34880176/ns/health-cold_and_flu


Way I see it, H1N1 has simply pushed aside other flu types, and has affected people roughly the same amount of people in the US and I assume the rest of the world.

 

[PiMan]

if we are to make up percentages, yes you are right. If we are to speak the truth, you're making up percentages.

Except I'm not. I just wasn't crediting my source. However I had slightly misremembered the statistic.
H1N1 accounted for over 90% of diagnosed cases of influenza in Victoria's 2009 flu season (where I live).

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...pe-out-workforce/story-e6freuy9-1225747979788

 

[MeteorPunch]

Except I'm not. I just wasn't crediting my source. However I had slightly misremembered the statistic.
H1N1 accounted for over 90% of diagnosed cases of influenza in Victoria's 2009 flu season (where I live).

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...pe-out-workforce/story-e6freuy9-1225747979788

That's because places stopped testing for the other flu's altogether, resulting in inflated numbers.

Article from July:
http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2009...-not-testing-for-H1N1-flu/UPI-76471247003554/

 

[Bill3000]

I don't know any. Actually this winter is passing with the least cases of flu than normal, among the list of my friends and collegues.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

 

[innonimatu]

Pandemic doesn't mean what laypeople think it means. That was a problem for the health people.

I really don't think that the people on the WHO regarded it as a "problem". They deliberately changed their own definition of "pandemic" in order to be able to classify the h1n1 situation as a pandemic, knowing how the media had used that word before as a "catastrophe situation", during that other flu (asian) crisis.

They deliberately engineered alarm among the population, and got what they could expect, swift action by politicians. Including those many billion euros of orders for pointless vaccines and anti-virals. In some cases (Germany, the UK) governments, advised no doubt by those well-meaning professionals, ordered more doses that those necessary to vaccinate the whole population of the country! And they now don't know what to do with the huge surplus, but because admitting that they were fooled is a nono (people might be so unreasonable as to demand that they be fired! ), they continue to push unnecessary mass vaccination programs.


Will it ever be proved that the whole pandemia panic was deliberately created? Probably not, too many fools were simply tricked into spreading it, and the originators can always claim that they were just being cautions and didn't meant to deceive even governments - which, in any case, should have their own professionals capable of corretly evaluating the situation. And those won't admit their mistakes if they can avoid it.

 

[PiMan]

That's because places stopped testing for the other flu's altogether, resulting in inflated numbers.

Article from July:
http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2009...-not-testing-for-H1N1-flu/UPI-76471247003554/

9 out of 10 cases were found to be swine flu, 1 out of 10 cases were found to be not swine flu. It doesn't matter that they didn't check exactly what those other cases were, but they knew they weren't swine flu and therefore they count to the statistic. There is no selection bias in these figures.