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Fall 2017 Patch - Undocumented Changes

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by thecrazyscot, Oct 21, 2017.

  1. thecrazyscot

    thecrazyscot Spiffy

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    I figured it might be nice to list all the undocumented changes from the latest patch here. I'll start off:
    • You gain unit LOS from city-states you are suzerain of
    As a reminder, here are the patch notes:
    Spoiler :
    [NEW]
    • Khmer
      • Civ Unique Ability: Grand Barays - Farms provide +2 Food if adjacent to an Aqueduct. +3 Faith and +1 Amenity to each city with an Aqueduct.
      • Jayavarman VII Unique Ability: Monasteries of the King - Holy Sites provide +2 Food and +1 Housing if placed on a river. Holy Sites provide a culture bomb.
      • Domrey: Unlocks with Military Engineering technology. Unique Medieval era siege unit. Can move and shoot in the same turn and exerts zone of control.
      • Prasat: Same yield as Temple. Missionaries purchased in this city receive the Martyr promotion. +1 Relic slot.
    • Indonesia
      • Civ Unique Ability: Great Nusantara - Minor Adjacency for Coastal tiles to Holy Site, Campus, Industrial Zone, and Theater Square. +1 Amenity to each Entertainment Complex adjacent to a coastal tile.
      • Gitarja Unique Ability: Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds - Naval units can be purchased with Faith. Religious units pay no movement to embark or disembark. +2 Faith to City Centers that are adjacent to Coast.
      • Jong: Replaces Frigate. Unlocks with Mercenaries civic. +1 Movement. All units in formation inherit movement speed. +5 to combat when in a formation.
      • Kampung: Unique improvement placed on Coastal tiles that are adjacent to a sea resource. +1 Housing. +1 Production. +1 Food for each adjacent Fishing Boat. More Housing, Production, and Tourism as you advance through the game.
    • Angkor Wat Wonder
      • +1 Population in all Current Cities when built. +1 Housing in all cities. Must be built adjacent to an Aqueduct district.
    • Ha Long Bay Natural Wonder
      • Two tile natural wonder that can be found on coastal terrain and provides +3 Food, +1 Production, and +1 Culture. +15 Combat Strength when defending in this tile.
    • ‘Path to Nirvana’ Scenario
      • The lands around the Indian Ocean flourish with many religions and many people. Heaven has chosen you to bring the light to all these lands. Is your faith up to the challenge? Can you convince the people of Southeast Asia to follow your religion? In this 50 turn scenario, compete to have the most followers of your religion, the most faith per turn, and the most foreign cities following your religion.


    [RELIGION UPDATE]
    • Overhauled “Religion Lens”
    • All religious units move on their own layer (similar to Trade Units and Spies)
    • Switched to unique unit flag backing for religious units
    • Display religion (if applicable) for a unit to be purchased with Faith
    • Added the ‘Condemn Heretic’ unit action to allow military units to eliminate religious units in their tile, similar to pillaging a trade route
    • Added Religion indicators to unit flags
    • Religious units now exert Zone of Control and receive Flank and Support bonuses in religious combat
    • Added two new Pantheons, two new Founder Beliefs, two new Follower Beliefs, two new Enhancer Beliefs, and two new Worship Beliefs (with new buildings)
      • Follower Belief “Warrior Monks” unlocks the new Warrior Monk unit, a medieval land combat unit with its own promotion tree that is purchased with Faith
    • Added the Guru religious support unit, which can heal nearby religious units
    • Improved long-term usefulness of Missionaries by giving their spread religion ability 10% eviction of all other religions
    • Gave nine existing leaders the LOW_RELIGIOUS_PREFERENCE trait so they are unlikely to push hard for a religion, making it easier for players to get one on high difficulties
    • Added Unit Action tooltip to show you how many followers you’ll have in a city after you spread religion there
    • Adding religious pressure to both ends of a trade route:
      • Destination city gets 1 pressure per turn of the origin city's majority religion (if it has one). This is the same amount as if that city was close by.
      • Origin city gets 0.5 pressure per turn of the destination city's majority religion (if it has one)
    • Added 8 new Relics


    [UI ENHANCEMENTS]
    • Updated Diplomacy screens to improve readability and usability
    • Trade Overview: Available Routes tab will now show all possible routes between two cities regardless if the origin city has a trader located at it
    • New medallion style art for Great People
    • Capital icons now appear on city banners in espionage chooser menu
    • Rest & Repair actions inform you if you can’t heal due to a missing Strategic Resource
    • Changed sort order for gossip so most recent messages are shown first
    • Ensure plot tooltips show up after mousing over 2D icons in same plot
    • Trade route chooser now sorts routes when filtered by a yield
    • Lots of changes to make assorted UI screens more moddable/extensible


    [AI TUNING]
    • Improved AI’s naval gameplay, including protection and healing of naval units, building a proper navy, and assaulting coastal cities
    • AI will attempt to re-convert its holy cities
    • AI will no longer commit to battles they cannot win
    • Improve AI city and district placement
    • Improved AI’s valuation of great works
    • Improved Scout’s drive to explore Tribal Villages
    • Improved siege attacks
    • Adjusted religious strategies, preventing large hordes of units going to the same, distant city
    • New AI support for Religious Heal and Condemn Heretic actions
    • Improve AI use of Inquisitors
    • Money Grubber agenda is no longer as sensitive to fluctuations in income


    [MULTIPLAYER]
    • Ongoing stability improvements


    [BALANCE CHANGES]
    • Removed some of the least useful Gossip messages to improve signal to noise:
      • Buildings constructed if from 2 eras earlier than the constructing player's current era
      • Civic cultivated if from 1 era earlier than developing player's current era
      • Influenced city-state if not tied or higher than all other players
      • Land unit promoted if only to Level 2
      • Naval unit promoted if only to Level 2
      • Policy slotted if unlocked from a Civic that is 2 eras earlier than slotting player's current era
      • Tech researched if from 1 era earlier than researching player's current era
    • Move +1 embark speed from Cartography to Square Rigging
    • Allow friendly or allied spies to escape just before a nuke is detonated on a city they are in. All other spies are still killed.
    • Add Guilds as a prereq for Humanism so you have Theater Square before Museums
    • Change the Civic prereqs between Industrial and Modern so Zoo is required before Stadiums
    • Religious Idols Pantheon belief is now +2 Faith per mine instead of +1
    • Persian Immortal unit now behaves primarily as a melee unit with a ranged attack ability


    [BUG FIXES]
    • AI will now recruit Great People when they take control of a human's game in MP
    • Fixed an issue where AI would trade invalid items
    • Fixed issues where AI appears to refuse their own deal proposals
    • Corrected an error that made the AI very unlikely to agree to alliances
    • Added missing description text for Broadway (+20% Culture for the city)
    • Fixed Colonial Taxes to be the listed 25% boost
    • Fix player being able to make peace with city states while at war with the suzerain
    • Pillaged districts no longer provide adjacency yields and they drop adjacent Appeal
    • Fixed the Hanging Gardens not granting Appeal
    • Archery tech boost earned by a Slinger on defense
    • Unique districts don’t count twice for Mathematics tech boost
    • Fix Housing from Monarchy to properly be +1 for each level of Wall
    • Culture Bombs can no longer steal National Park tiles
    • Conquering a city with a spaceport under sabotage no longer redirects that mission at yourself
    • Captured spies are immediately returned when a player is defeated
    • Gold costs of delegations is correct at all game speeds
    • Properly compute foreign followers of a religion for beliefs that use this stat. Followers from cities that didn’t have this religion as a majority were not counted previously
    • Embarked combat units can no longer capture enemy embarked civilians
    • Additional bug fixes


    [MISC]
    • Changed Jakarta City-State to Bandar Brunei
    • Added Motion Blur to leaders
     
  2. UWHabs

    UWHabs Chieftain

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    Given this, it seems like they treat suzerain CS as allies. Has anyone checked to see if the policy card for trade routes to allies gives you the bonus for trade routes to your city-states?
     
  3. Smity2k1

    Smity2k1 Chieftain

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    I thought you always got sight from suzerains? Or was it you only saw their city state, you didn't also see what their units see?
     
  4. Swissy

    Swissy Chieftain

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    Its an unintended benefit that happened when they made suzerain city states allies to fix the bug that allowed you to peace out enemy suzerain city states. They made the easiest,/cheapest fix they could make. They just never tested it to see what other effects it would have on the game. Seems to be a common occurrence with Civ 6, stuff being added and not fully tested.
     
  5. bite

    bite Moderator Moderator

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    Or they tested it and found that they were fine with the side effects
     
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  6. PYITE

    PYITE Chieftain

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    The only change I can find for the civs that got Low religious preference with this patch is a large preference reduction for Faith Yield and Great Prophet pseudoyield.
     
  7. Swissy

    Swissy Chieftain

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    They would have documented it if that was the case. Most game companies like to say "Look at this neat thing we did for you". Just the nature of the bugs and undocumented changes the past few patches I more incline to believe it was unintended and not even noticed due to inadequate testing.
     
  8. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    It doesn't stop them from trying to build Stonehenge though. A non-preference civ may get a very early religion, but probably won't try to use it effectively because they are programmed not to prefer Faith yields.
     
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  9. Phoenix1595

    Phoenix1595 Lord of the Two Lands

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    I'd be curious if the patch carried any environmental effects, much like desert/tundra winds and polar auroras from previous patches. I love those touches. Plus, I don't recall their inclusion in patch notes-- usually it was an eagle eye player who caught them post-release.
     
  10. SammyKhalifa

    SammyKhalifa Chieftain

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    No we have to stage everything so that it puts the company in the worst light possible. :)

    Seems totally reasonable to me. I mean if you can temporarily buy their units I don't see why they wouldn't just give you reports other times.
     
  11. Piruparka

    Piruparka Chieftain

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    Excuse me, what is LOS?
     
  12. Stilgar08

    Stilgar08 Chieftain

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    Line of Sight
    Furthermore I like it. Makes more sense than before...
     
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  13. Stilgar08

    Stilgar08 Chieftain

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    Only their city LoS before...
     
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  14. Piruparka

    Piruparka Chieftain

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    Ah, get it. Awesome. Thanks. Hi neighbour by the way (this is Bremen speaking).
     
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  15. Alexis Layton

    Alexis Layton Chieftain

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    It's actually stronger than just the current LOS, you also get a (foggy) map update to everywhere they have explored that you have never seen. I recently became suzerain of a city state on a continent I had barely started exploring the edges of with a boat, and almost the entire continent suddenly appeared on my map.
     
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  16. DizzKneeLand33

    DizzKneeLand33 Fall from Heaven 2 still rocks

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    The LOS makes total sense, but again, if it were an intended consequence it should have been part of the notes. So, either it wasn't tested, or the notes are bad -- it's one of those.

    But, hey, I'm just glad the game is playable again.
     
  17. darkace77450

    darkace77450 Chieftain

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    Do you really feel they've done what's necessary to earn the benefit of the doubt? There are no wrong answers to that question, but I personally don't.
     
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  18. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    I somehow suzed one from the far side of an island plates map, and it revealed half the planet for me.
     
  19. Cerilis

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    Not sure if intended, but I noticed religious units can't do formations...anymore? Tbf, I'm not sure they could before but I kinda assumed they did, because of the Conquistador ability. Anyway, I wanted to join them with the Jongs for speed apostles, but alas... D: Small nerf for Indonesia!
     
  20. Piruparka

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    They could before but I'm sure it's intended they can't do that anymore since they move on their own layer. You can't do formation with traders either.
     

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