Falling economy with romans

[nijan]

Hello,
I just had a huge problem that after numerous tries I'm still unable to solve. I've completed my roman UHV but wanted more. As I keep playing, around the seventieth century I noticed that the stability started to fall because of the economy index. I really can't work out the reason as I'm full of cottages, merchants, banks, etc. As I control both France and Germany I needed a good income. However, when my it started to rise (I'm getting +35 at 60% commerce) my stability suddenly fell causing many stability troubles. If I try to add more merchants and therefore getting more Gold, I'll still having the same problem, with stability going subzero. I have tried to find out something on the strategy guide. I think the only two parameters that are causing me to collapse are:

Amount of food per population. +/-
The more people you have relative to agriculture the worse the penalty.

Amount of gold (Economy) per population. +/-
The more people you have relative to gold the worse the penalty.

I can't understand what they mean, actually.

I have good import/export ratio as well as no depressions. Civics are also quite good. Any Idea?

Thanks!

 

[say1988]

Your overall economy needs to expand, just sitting there, even if you are raking in tonnes of gold will hurt your stability.
Did you check your stability screen and is it economy alone that is killing you? What are your ratings?

 

[Mowque]

Welcome to the forum! mind throwing a save up? It might help us see the problem although i suspect it is the economey

 

[nijan]

Thanks for your replies, I'm attaching one of the savings; I noticed that I have a low GBP and approbation rate, could that be the reason? Notice that the play was not best-played at that turn as up until that point I had already been stressed. What do you think about it? What's the problem with my economy? I have tried everything. I hardly believe there's something you can do at that turn. However I have previous savings. I just want to understand what's going on.
Thanks for your help!

 

[BoydofZINJ]

I had a similar problem a few games ago.

 

[nijan]

I suppose you didn't solve it out, did you?

 

[nijan]

Your overall economy needs to expand, just sitting there, even if you are raking in tonnes of gold will hurt your stability.
Did you check your stability screen and is it economy alone that is killing you? What are your ratings?

Sorry,
I have 3 everywhere but in economy.

 

[say1988]

I assume you mean GDP and approval rating?
Your GDP is a measure of the strength of your economy. An important part of your economic stability is that you keep this growing.
Approval rating I have always ignored (I don't see any importance in it in normal civ, heck I ignored it in Civ II as well).

I couldn't load your game, so this is all speculation.....

Have you gained territory recently? I would suggest loading an older save and expanding into some wealthy territories, maybe Greece or Egypt, and see if that helps (the best way to expand your economy is to expand your empire, in population and territory).

Food per population is the amount of food your cities are producing per person.
Gold is the same, except with gold.

 

[nijan]

I uploaded two other savings, could somebody take a look at them? As you can see playing in some turn Egypt fall in a civil war, my economy stability goes subzero and as a consequence France declare its independence. After two turns I remain only with Rome. That's, as stated before, for a strange loss in economy I can't see. Maybe I am just getting some malus from the game engine on that period? Could anybody (Ryhe?) tell me is if like that, so maybe I can stop looking for a solution that doesn't exist.

 

[nijan]

I forgot to add the files

 

[Mowque]

sorry, i only run BTS now.....what year is it? when Germany and France both spawn?

 

[nijan]

France pop up again around the 1500.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

If you raze Brest and Bordeaux (and only leave Lugdunum and Paris--or whatever the Latin name is) it will make France respawning much less likely. Paris will have enough culture to encompass all the land resources (and you've got enough fish in the Adriatic and Aegean). Plus Spain likes to own Bordeaux so your relation with them will not suffer because of it if it didn't exist.