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Far-Right Ideology in the 21st Century

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Hamid.H, May 18, 2019.

  1. Hamid.H

    Hamid.H Chieftain

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    i fear were facing an new existential global threat and this is unlike nazi germany in the 20th century. after some reflection, i believe that we need to stop referring to the right wing as nazis (albeit they do have nazi sympathies, however they are not nazis as nazism was a specifically germanic supremacist movement). the far-right believes in eugenics, they reject equality, they believe race exists as a biological construct so theyre increasingly ethno-nationalistic, and theyre solidly left economically.

    how do we fight this? how do we stop it? i see us consistently ceding ground to them while this cancerous ideology continues to spread. whites will be outnumbered in 20-30 years, but we may not have 20-30 years to deal with this. also, making advances economically for the working class (although great and a worthwhile achievement) largely benefits whites and is only playing into their hand while they continue to push their race realism garbage and fascist sentiments. I really dont think that "muh science" and "muh facts" is going to convince them.

    what can we do?
     
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    Initiate the ppp....porn and pot policy
     
  4. Hamid.H

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    and howd that work out? not very well when you consider "communist" china, the ussr, cuba, cambodia, vietnam, and recently venezuela. its a flawed ideology and iran rejected it for a reason.

    hh
     
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  5. Cheetah

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    Say what?

    The far-right's economic policies are all about making the rich richer, and the poor poorer. That they use it as talking points to sway people to vote for them doesn't change their policies.

    Liberal socialdemocracy.

    That means severely raising taxes on the rich, breaking apart any company that is «too big to fail», repairing and extending social programs, adjusting criminal fines based on wealth and income, protecting the environment, strengthening unions and workers' rights, standing up to religious extremism and special rules for religious minorities, controlling immigration, opposing and confronting dictators and tyrants be they Russians, Chinese or Arab, and properly punishing politicians and the wealthy when they commit bribery or corruption.
     
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  6. Hamid.H

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    the far-right are socialists but only when it involves their own in-group. the rich in the west are actually largely left-wing and theyre solidly capitalist while virtue signaling and pointing at progressive causes a.k.a. "white liberalism."

    theres several problem with this

    1. as i said its the so-called white "liberals" who are the rich in the west.
    2. extending social programs to who exactly?
    3. standing up to religious extremism and special rules for religious minorities - what do you mean by this exactly?
    4. controlling immigration - uh, what??! immigration (specifically non-white) is largely what will get us out of this mess.
    5. opposing and confronting dictators and tyrants - so neo-conservativism?
    6. properly punishing politicians and the wealthy when they commit bribery or corruption - see #1

    hh
     
  7. abradley

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    My problem is worrying about the far-left. Are we heading to a Venezuelan future?
     
  8. cardgame

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    There is no american father figure to sanction the united states, bradley ;) nor do we rely on one single sector of the economy to the extent that Venezuela did/does.

    with regards to the OP, the best we can do is provide some actual answers/solutions to the things that get this far-right constituency riled up; not the racist parts, but the parts about securing the things that are driving them to extremism; better worker's rights, better safety nets, etc. - even if we have to do it against their will. Alternatively or by combination we can play more hardball and ban faux news since that seems to be the majority contribution to this rise. Facebook is at least pretending to care, though to what extent and how helpful that is is dubious.
     
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    Stalinism? Nyet.
    Of course, Venezuela attempted to couple Stalism with kleptocracy, and kleptocracy is Tromp's favorite thing. :hug:
     
  10. Imaus

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    How are they socialist? Does the Far Right want to dismantle all private property? Begin worker's co-operatives? Break down society to local democratic communes? Do they abide by Marx, Engels, Lenin? Or other modern thinkers such as Mao, Hoxha, Stalin, Tito - and their respective schools?

    Or maybe, as I assume, you don't know jacks about what 'Socialism' means?

    And for your 1a- So what? So what if it's 'white liberals' who are the rich? They get taxed. Bam.

    2a - As per a Social Democratic convention, well, to near everyone. Some might say tax payers get a priority, or citizens, or all the above and legal residents, but hell, Democrats in the US are suddenly loving Illegals so much to give them state IDs and drivers licenses, so maybe them, too.

    3A - a strong sense of the French policy of Secularism (laicite) which extends to making sure the Secular Laws of the Nation overrule any Religious law or harm, be it Sharia, Christian wackiness, Far-Right Buddhism, whatever. You can worship whatever you want, but that doesn't mean you or your religion is beyond the reach or thumb of the Secular State and Law.

    4A - No, uncontrolled immigration does nothing but aggrevate the Far Right and puts a drain on society to house, train, secularize, and employ all the immigrants. Every country has limits to immigration, many, especially in the first world, are more stringent than the US in that regard.

    5A - No, it means to stand by the principles and ideologies you hold dear. Having a back-bone; actually putting your money where your mouth is. The Liberal World has already wasted and withered sanctions as weapon but are too spineless to actually go in and occupy countries, as seen in Libya. The 'compromise' might be stronger alliances and aid to other liberal countries, totally cutting off dictatorial ones from the world economy with a sharp 'pinch' that gets nothing given to them, maybe not even humanitarian or development aid, and so on and so forth. Whether or not it'll work (or even be needed) is another matter.

    6A - Again, so what if they're 'white liberal(s/ capitalists)? They get punished and put down equally under the law. Anything else is hypocrisy - a hypocrisy that does exist and fly around now, even in oh-so-developed-and-enlightened Europe to 'we're-barely-hiding-it' America.

    There are different forms of Capitalism, Social Democracy is as left (or Center) as you can go (State Capitalism can be all over the place as needed, while Social Democracy grew out of the Socialist movement, disregarding Socialism for reformism and seeing the positives from Capitalism as enough) - it's regulated capitalism where the state, obsentially, funnels all that wealth and prosperity and growth back into the polity, its citizens, and the welfare apparatus. It really took off after 1945 but was kicked down in the 1970s due to the recessions and oil crises there, and NeoLiberalism and the Friedman/Austrian schools of thought moved in. Nowadays they're being replaced by a 'compromise' of sorts in the vein of Social Liberalism.
     
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  11. Old Hippy

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    the thread shows a fascist staff car and how quickly people want to ban books... i think we should ban pictures of german staff cars...
    May I suggest the Chinese model for this they have ethnic and religious re-education work camps they used to be left wing ... I'm told... till one day in 1979 they just decided to become Fascist and carried on as if nothing had changed...you know socialism with Chinese characteristics or socialism with chinese Nationalist characteristics
    Apart from their work camps they also have a good method of book burning 21st century style... its called social credit and all your purchases are logged and any wrong thought would see that constituency banned from travel or financial transactions
    I hesitate mention the Amnesty international reports of forced organ harvesting... just in case it gives enlightened left wing thought police any idea of how to deal with thought crime in other parts of the world... luckily enlightened American liberals would never try to ban books or people let alone be against there fellow neighbors and try to force them to conform even if they have to do it against their will.
     
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    and that's why american liberals are in danger of letting fascists win, they're not willing to play the game and want to stick their heads in the sand and pretend it's impossible, inconceivable
     
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    The far left on exists in reaction to the far right. Get rid of the far right and the far left ceases to be an issue.
     
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    More because they annoy their allies/center, throw up weak candidates, and like circular firing squads.
     
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    I'll concede that, Zardnaar.
     
  16. Old Hippy

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    so my question is when do you start to play the game?...
    that's the trouble with ostriches they stick their head in a place the sun don't shine
    the trouble with american liberals is they are held hostage to some of the worlds largest capitalist propaganda corporations thinking that they hold their same views... when do we get this Corporate Utopia...facebook promises us
    they are already privatising censorship
    some say it's the helsinki syndrome others say it's tds...I'll go with tds
    they don't question the fact google/ facebook/ twitter/ the main stream media/ etc.... would even care about anything but maximising their profits... they are all portraying themselves as social justice corporations caring for the people...Volkswagen... the peoples car did that...
     
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    I say we nominate another elderly white man who's a raging pervert who can't keep his hands to himself.

    Fight fire with fire.

    Alas, if only there was a popular democrat who fits that description...
     
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    Non-white immigration will get us out of this mess? Is the idea to flood the West with non-white immigrants in an attempt to marginalize poor white people?
     
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    This way of talking is certainly NOT the way to avoid right wing extremism. If your argument is that a country needs to import more people from some place else, because the whiteness of the current population is a problem, you are literally advocating solving the right wing extremism by fulfilling their greatest fear, which is the loss of the homeland and "le grande replacement". That will only escalate the situation, and if I'm perfectly honest, I wouldn't blame them, just as I wouldn't blame the Native Americans trying to fight off the conqistadors or the Palestinians for fighting the Israelites.

    We humans are tribalistic in nature. Even wearing similiar dress enforces social trust and in-group feelings. What I would do is create a new sort of civic nationalism in place of laissez-faire multiculturalism. The 19th century showed us that creating fictions of nationhood are effective in creating belonging in mass populations. We need to do something similiar, I am afraid. I would advocate for more assimilation/acculturation by creating or using existing symbols and rituals of belonging for both the people already living in the country and people coming into the country.
     
  20. Hamid.H

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    theres many different variations of socialism. from what ive seen trudging through the sewers of breitbart, /pol/, drudge, and other right wing echo-chambers (its important to know the enemy) is that the far-right is selectively socialist, but only when it affects their own in-group. theyre anti-globalism, they don't believe in free-trade, they despise the fed, big business, and the banks. outside of the bible belt many believe in abortion, and they support unions and workers rights.

    my point is that the far-right are not capitalists by any stretch of the imagination. the alt-right isnt right-wing boomerism, since the alt-right openly rejects civic nationalism and capitalist economic theory.

    we need to remove the sycophantic gop from office and make it impossible for them to ever be reelected. we need more non-white immigration. this is how we defeat them and they know it. why do you think dumps cult of personality starts foaming at the mouth every time dump mentions "the wall?"

    see above.

    frankly im far more concerned about countries like russia, poland, and hungary who are openly embracing fascist and racist anti-immigrant sentiments than i am about libya.

    if conservatives and the white mid-west refuses to evolve and move past their own tribalism then they have no place in the future among a diverse and tolerant global community. becoming limp wristed in the face of opened and blatant fascists isnt a solution. "le grande replacement" is their biggest fear because thats what needs to happen and thats how they will lose once and for all. diversity is our strength and we should be doing everything in our power to play to that strength by being tolerant and welcoming to undocumented immigrants and refugees. thats how we defeat them without having to resort to outright violence.

    hh
     
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