Final Mafia 2019 (Cold War Mafia)
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Timsup2nothin
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Somebody has to be. I think that @JohannaK hit a nail on the head...there are a lot of players who aren't compulsive participators and/or skilled players. I'm reading a fair number of the usual suspects as "floundering townies." But just mathematically the idea that there is no overlap between 3/13 scum and 5/13 early active players doesn't wash. Somewhere in that group of Razor, Tak, me, Raskol, and Snerk the odds say there is a wolf. We know it isn't Raskol. Razor cast the deciding vote that ended Seon so I can't believe it's him. I personally know it isn't me, and I was the loudest voice on the Seon wagon by far. So, we got Snerk and Tak to choose from, IMO. Heck, I'd buy both.
Manasi
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Yeah I think that Snerk is the mafia in that pairing but that's pretty glaringly obvious to me. We're in the same camp with everything else. Who are you reading within {Johanna/Omega/Mary/Syn} as floundering townies? I have that read on some people but interested to see what you think.
Visorslash
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Vote: Snerk
yolo
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Timsup2nothin
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All of them, for varying reasons. Mary, Syn, and I are all regulars from OT, so I "know" them and they are acting exactly the way I would expect them to act in their second game. Omega made a pretty believable "I'm out of sync" lament, and the action all coming in the middle of her night nets the same sort of result as Jo's confessed desire to just follow along with cursory attention and be told how to vote. There may be a wolf there somewhere, of the same sort that Mary was last game...a willing subordinate following an experienced wolf's directions. But finding the ringleader will win the game for the town.
Snerk or Tak?
Timsup2nothin
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It's either Snerk and Tak, or it is one of them and someone following direction who should be pretty easy to ferret out if we get rid of their leader.
Visorslash
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this obv isnt' finished but its a starting point
jut going through the thread, seeing who pushed and voted who, trying to figure out pairs
gonna narrow this down further to cut out ppl i think are villas
Visorslash
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Vote: marykb
That leaves 5 people left, Manasi, mary, Snerk, Omega, Synsensa (im clearing joan, tim, takh and pzelda, deal with it)
So working out who isn't partnered with who here starting with manasi
Manasi: Mary tried to get her killed, She wants to kill Snerk, Synsensa tried to get her killed and she tried to get Syn killed. Out of that group she can only be a wolf with Omega.
Mary mary quite contrary: Tried to kill manasi and Omega iirc. Hasnt said much about snerk iirc which is interesting in italics. She has also defended Syn from what I recall, so she can be partnered with him.
Snerk: tried to kill manasi, so not likely with her. possible with mary, unlikely with omega, maybe with syn.
Omega: Keeps trying to kill Syn, so not w/w with him. Keeps misgendering manasi and gets the setup wrong lol so #badreadstime but maybe just villa/not wolf with manasi. snerk keeps pushin her so maybe unlikely there.
Syn: went for manasi at the end (though potential bus i guess but manasi tried to kill him too), potentially with mary, snerk, unlikely with omega (though bus potential but i mean... why?)
i dont think that chart is accurate anyway:
i don't think manasi is the wolf
so its mary/snerk/omega/syn
i'm ready to drop mary lack a sack of hammers i think, i think her accusations are very similar tonewise to the ones she dropped in the last game, but i guess she seems less crafty this game, so perhaps i'm wrong here, if i am, snerk/syn perhaps for wolves?
That leaves 5 people left, Manasi, mary, Snerk, Omega, Synsensa (im clearing joan, tim, takh and pzelda, deal with it)
So working out who isn't partnered with who here starting with manasi
Manasi: Mary tried to get her killed, She wants to kill Snerk, Synsensa tried to get her killed and she tried to get Syn killed. Out of that group she can only be a wolf with Omega.
Mary mary quite contrary: Tried to kill manasi and Omega iirc. Hasnt said much about snerk iirc which is interesting in italics. She has also defended Syn from what I recall, so she can be partnered with him.
Snerk: tried to kill manasi, so not likely with her. possible with mary, unlikely with omega, maybe with syn.
Omega: Keeps trying to kill Syn, so not w/w with him. Keeps misgendering manasi and gets the setup wrong lol so #badreadstime but maybe just villa/not wolf with manasi. snerk keeps pushin her so maybe unlikely there.
Syn: went for manasi at the end (though potential bus i guess but manasi tried to kill him too), potentially with mary, snerk, unlikely with omega (though bus potential but i mean... why?)
i dont think that chart is accurate anyway:
i don't think manasi is the wolf
so its mary/snerk/omega/syn
i'm ready to drop mary lack a sack of hammers i think, i think her accusations are very similar tonewise to the ones she dropped in the last game, but i guess she seems less crafty this game, so perhaps i'm wrong here, if i am, snerk/syn perhaps for wolves?
Visorslash
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ofc that chart isn't like a lock, its just baseline viewing
but, im down to hit in mary/snerk/syn the most
but, im down to hit in mary/snerk/syn the most
JohannaK
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As per yesterday, vote: MaryKB, though I'd feel more comfortable voting Snerk.
I am not sure I get how the chart works. What's blue?
I am not sure I get how the chart works. What's blue?
JohannaK
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I mean what is w/w? Wolf/wolf?
Visorslash
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blue are basically not wolf/wolf
eg snerk and manasi are not wolf/wolf (blue)
Vote: Snerk
half the game wants him dead lol
remind me to reread his posts
eg snerk and manasi are not wolf/wolf (blue)
Vote: Snerk
half the game wants him dead lol
remind me to reread his posts
Visorslash
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w/w is wolf/wolf yes
basically just looking at who has pushed who
(obviously bussing is a thing, etc) but figure it is an ok starting point, may help someone
basically just looking at who has pushed who
(obviously bussing is a thing, etc) but figure it is an ok starting point, may help someone
JohannaK
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vote: Snerk. I'm gonna feel bad until the ccused post anyhoo.
pzelda
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It was the Skyrim quote that saved me.
Actually, it was probably Manasi's meltdown. It completely blew the vote gates open.
That second line for some reason sounds really good. Looks like a possible villagery pov.
I'm not too fond of this as I see it as possible role fishing or an unnecessary mechanics speculation at best. Not the best post I've seen from Mary. Maybe I put her in my villa leans little too fast.
1)Basically my read
2)This could be w/w, if Neither Johanna not Tak will step up their game.
Johanna's frustrated rant feels real, but not alignment indicative. I'm awaiting promised solving.
I mostly like this wall from Manasi as she brings up multiple interesting points. I would be interested in an expanded take on Tak's scum meta. There's a game I can't talk about yet, but let's say that I have his meta from it and I'm not sure how much is the volume indicative. But I also feel that he posted more of his opinions here and that he tried to forward the game.
I enjoy that someone's finally talking about other wagons. Omega's far from clear, but seeing Seon starting a wagon on him him looks good for him He's def less likely to be a wolf than Johanna. Her POE also looks reasonable enough.
Movement in my tiers:
Mary down to W
Omega up to W
Snerk down to W
Manasi up to VV
Takhisis stays in VV, but his position there's flimsier than ever
Syn, I need to think more about.
pzelda
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I'm sorry @pzelda, it's my first game playing with power roles, and I feel stupid for having such a thought. After reading what you said and looking back at what I wrote, I see exactly what you mean (learning!)
I'm feeling more suspicious today of Takhisis and JohannaK. But I respect Tim's views on Snerk, but something about Johanna's quick pile on just seems very overly eager to me (does he know too much?) Snerk sadly does seem rather evil this game for some reason, but if we lynch him and he ends up as innocent, I'm going to be rather convinced Johanna's going to be maniacally laughing behinds our backs.
Takhisis on the other hand is just keeping too quiet for my tastes, and he seems like he's watching and waiting for his moment to strike. I feel a vibe that I don't like.
I may change my vote later, I'm sure it'll be a long two days, but right now I'm going to vote: Takhisis (but I've got a strong leaning to Snerk too, I'm so sorry dear
)
I'm feeling more suspicious today of Takhisis and JohannaK. But I respect Tim's views on Snerk, but something about Johanna's quick pile on just seems very overly eager to me (does he know too much?) Snerk sadly does seem rather evil this game for some reason, but if we lynch him and he ends up as innocent, I'm going to be rather convinced Johanna's going to be maniacally laughing behinds our backs.
Takhisis on the other hand is just keeping too quiet for my tastes, and he seems like he's watching and waiting for his moment to strike. I feel a vibe that I don't like.
I may change my vote later, I'm sure it'll be a long two days, but right now I'm going to vote: Takhisis (but I've got a strong leaning to Snerk too, I'm so sorry dear
)Only I may taste @Snerk.
Visorslash
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Vote: mary
Yeah I ain't buying it anymore
Yeah I ain't buying it anymore
