Finally caught the AI cheating!
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Gooblah
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The game was played according the HOF mod rules.
Not cheating. Global Warming converts random tiles into desert, but keeps the improvements.
Sorry.
Look at the bottom-left of the image for the tile info: farms located on desert terrain.
As Gooblah explained, though, this is due to Global Warming (the game is in 1975 AD, so it is reasonable). These "AI Cheats!" threads usually are a result of sometimes-confusing game mechanics...
. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .! Absolute nonsense.
I had more then 20 tiles hit by Global Warming in this game and the improvements on those tiles were gone.
is that on 3.17?
are you on 3.13? i am on 3.13. my improvements disappear when it get hit by GW.
JonathanStrange
PrinceWithA1000Enemies
In Civ, everything's legal long as you don't get caught.
Matthew5117
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I CAUGHT THE AI CHEATING!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!
To begin with, the AI got multiple archers, scouts, workers AND settlers!
The AI got bonus techs!
Discounts on other techs!
Discounted production costs!
Reduced maintenance costs!
ITS RIDICULOUS! I demand a recall on all Civilization games!
To begin with, the AI got multiple archers, scouts, workers AND settlers!
The AI got bonus techs!
Discounts on other techs!
Discounted production costs!
Reduced maintenance costs!
ITS RIDICULOUS! I demand a recall on all Civilization games!
TheMeInTeam
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Handicaps/settings agreed at the start of a game are by definition not cheating.
It's the advantages that gains no mention anywhere, not in the manual, not in the civlopedia, not in the game interface, that are cheating. They are an example of the AI attaining an advantage that the player is not aware of, and while it is static cheating that once burned, the player can compensate for, it's still cheating.
Some examples of flagrant AI cheating:
- Upgrade discounts
- War weariness discounts
- Hidden modifiers from peace weights
- worst enemy trade detection prior to you meeting the AI that gets mad over it (essentially the AI map hacks trade deals)
- (disputable): unwillingness to change ANY civic if in favorite civic
Of the above, the only one that can be reasonable construed as an intended feature upon which the player is aware given pre-determined rules is the last one.
Also note that even the deity AI is so piss-poor with adaptation that if you pulled only the aspects of the game where the computer truly does cheat, the AI would practically suicide itself with war weariness and too many units it couldn't afford to upgrade.
Fine. But at LEAST don't map hack too! Being a worst enemy solely due to trading with one holds a special place in my heart as something that shouldn't have made it past beta, I REALLY hate that cheat. And make no mistake, it's a cheat.
enigmagic
Chieftain
Sorry for the noobie question, but what type of map is that in those screenshots ?
r_rolo1
King of myself
@TMIT
I really can't see how can you classify the refusal of changing ANY civic if in favourite civic ( including unrelated ones ) as anything besides a bug.
And you forgot that the AI sees atleast the operational range of it's units ( most of the time, even more
), regardless of the fog 
P.S And soon there will be someone that will call those things that TMIT and me stated as part of the AI
That IS not part of the AI: the AI is the decision algorithims, not the handicaps. Those things are external to the decision processes: think on it as having a Nitro-boosted car .... it will not make you a better driver, it just will make you go faster. Saying that those things are part of the AI is pretty much saying that a driver is the sum of the thinking mind behind the wheel with the car, like if the thinking mind couldn't even consider driving another completely diferent car
I really can't see how can you classify the refusal of changing ANY civic if in favourite civic ( including unrelated ones ) as anything besides a bug.
And you forgot that the AI sees atleast the operational range of it's units ( most of the time, even more
), regardless of the fog P.S And soon there will be someone that will call those things that TMIT and me stated as part of the AI
That IS not part of the AI: the AI is the decision algorithims, not the handicaps. Those things are external to the decision processes: think on it as having a Nitro-boosted car .... it will not make you a better driver, it just will make you go faster. Saying that those things are part of the AI is pretty much saying that a driver is the sum of the thinking mind behind the wheel with the car, like if the thinking mind couldn't even consider driving another completely diferent car Hemispheres, huge map, low sea level, random continents (2-6), islands, massive continents.
, I guess more cards and the colour will change.
Matthew5117
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r_rolo1
King of myself
TMIT is traumatized by a game he lost due to the fact that the interface doesn't show the hidden diplo modifiers 
( I was IMing with him at the time and his frustation tone was not definitely user-friendly 
) Not that I disagree with him
( I was IMing with him at the time and his frustation tone was not definitely user-friendly ) Not that I disagree with him 
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