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FireFox4 was just released!

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Opinions? Vs. IE9?


Which would you use as your preferred surfer client? Which would you use for online security?

(It'd been pointed out to me recently that it's a good idea to have to separate installations of browsers-one for your secure online transactions only, and another for web-browsing in which you don't save any personal info, cookies, etc..).
 
Firefox has only one capital F fyi :)

Is it out of beta? I think Id rather wait to make sure my extensions are compatible before i upgrade that though.

I read that you can use a Linux Live CD for secure online transaction.
 
I downloaded it at work, used it for a few days now. It's basically stolen a bunch of features from Chrome, to the point where I can barely tell them apart. I'm not sure if each tab has its own separate process though. I'm in two minds about that feature, but right now it's enough to put Chrome in the lead. (Also, the way Chrome keeps the tabs the same width when you close a tab from the middle of the tab bar is pretty neat. Chrome also uses slightly less screen space. Neither of those things are worth more than a parenthesised side-note, though.)

I can't compare speeds because the computer is completely different, but in terms of user experience I can't see anything that gives FF4 the edge over Chrome, or vice versa. They're both basically the same browser now. I guess there's the worry over privacy with Chrome though, maybe not now but in the future.

I wouldn't touch IE9 with a bargepole, not until someone whose opinion I respect tells me it's significantly better than FF or Chrome.
 
It's basically stolen a bunch of features from Chrome

Also Opera - Chrome stole some of them from Opera in the first place.

I wouldn't touch IE9 with a bargepole, not until someone whose opinion I respect tells me it's significantly better than FF or Chrome.

It's a good browser, but I don't think anyone can reasonably make the claim that any of Chrome/Safari/Opera/Firefox/IE are significantly better than any of the others.
 
It's... not bad. Some of the new features are stolen (tab grouping and integrated web synchronization are stolen from Opera, I'm not sure what all else is stolen from who), but some do seem to be different. The ability to restore the previous session even when the browser didn't crash, for instance, seems like a very sensible addition.

But I think I'll still use Firefox 3.6 more, because Google Gears doesn't work with Firefox 4, and thus GMail Offline won't either.

And I don't see any compelling reason to switch from Opera as my main browser. I'm still amazed no other browser has added customizable keyboard shortcuts - that saves much more time than a few milliseconds or microseconds, whatever it is now, of JavaScript rendering. For online security, I prefer common sense and perhaps a private tab for certain transactions like online banking. I don't think the sandboxing feature of IE8/9 and Chrome is really necessary unless you tend to visit the sort of sites that are likely to get you viruses, and unlike when IE6 was current none of the latest browsers are particularly unsecure.

Aimee's mention of extension compatibility isn't really relevant to me, but I can see where it would if you used a lot. I've stuck with an old version of Songbird because of extensions, so I can see Firefoxers doing the same. That's part of the reason I like it when what would otherwise be extensions are included in the main program.

I wouldn't touch IE9 with a bargepole either, but that's because it requires Windows Vista or later. I've heard it's actually not bad if you are running Vista, although given IE's recent history I'm skeptical. If true though, it basically means that any current web browser is decent and the differences are minor enough that which you prefer depends on which of the minor features you find most useful.
 
For extension compatibility I think you can force compatibility with Nightly Testing Tools (I forgot the exact name) but sometimes it doesnt work too well.

I use IE Tab 2 to check that my website looks Ok in it and for the occasional ancient site that glitches up in Firefox. I run into those less often though
 
I'm still amazed no other browser has added customizable keyboard shortcuts - that saves much more time than a few milliseconds or microseconds, whatever it is now, of JavaScript rendering.

Still? Last time I looked into it for Firefox, I came to the conclusion that I'd to implement the feature and recompile the browser myself to get it working properly.

Lack of single-key tab-switching keyboard shortcuts basically cripples a browser for my regular browsing habits.

I wouldn't touch IE9 with a bargepole either, but that's because it requires Windows Vista or later.

I wouldn't touch any pre-Vista Windows with a bargepole. :p
 
Is there a way to test compatibility with extensions without:
a) checking them all manually
b) actually upgrading?
 
I've never used either Opera or Chrome so I have no comparison to make, but I do like Firefox 4 - I've noticed a performance increase and the interface looks cleaner and crisper.
 
It's alright. Performs better and after some tweaking I like the UI. Some of the features like tab grouping feel pretty pointless at the moment though. It's a nice idea, and they've implemented the core feature, but they haven't really done anything to make it useful.
 
What are you talking about, tab grouping is the best part!

The ability for me to no longer have to open a million windows to multitask is a huge boon to my surfing :)
 
Agreed. Still, it is quite useful. I no longer need to have 4 different firefox windows open just to segregate my tabs a bit. Now I can have my news tabs in one group, gaming in another, reddit in a third, work tabs in a fourth group, and naughty stuff in a fifth. It's also nice that it actually hides the other tabs, although I wish if a tab was flashing but not in your currently selected group the browser would still notify you.
 
It's... not bad. Some of the new features are stolen (tab grouping and integrated web synchronization are stolen from Opera, I'm not sure what all else is stolen from who), but some do seem to be different. The ability to restore the previous session even when the browser didn't crash, for instance, seems like a very sensible addition.

Much of Opera's features were stolen from firefox addons. Also the web sync has been around as a firefox addon for 2-ish years now. The ability to restore a previous session, without a crash, isn't new. It was introduced in 3.0 but was disabled by default.

For those of you complaining about lack of keyboard custimization. Addon called keyconfig has been around for years. I know they had a 'beta' version out for the beta 4.0, but no idea if it's up to release yet.

Seriously guys. Firefox is a browser that is built around it's addons and it has been for years. WTH are you doing not using them?
 
What are you talking about, tab grouping is the best part!

The ability for me to no longer have to open a million windows to multitask is a huge boon to my surfing :)

Lack of keyboard shortcuts to navigate and manipulate tab groups. Lack of tools in general to manipulate tab groups. Where are my options to open a bookmark folder to a tab group? Save all the tabs in one group as bookmarks? Save tab groups for restoration later (without making bookmarks)? Move tab groups between browsers? Etc, etc.

Not to mention that FF already gets clunky with more than a dozen or 2 dozen tabs open, so the utility of tab groups is pretty limited until they fix that.
 
I find that Chrome is actually worse with lots of tabs, even though it doesn't lose as much speed when you have lots of tabs open. Because Chrome keeps tabs in a separate process, I can quite happily view two or three tabs that I have open and use constantly without any loss of speed, even if I have another 12 tabs open in the background that I want to check at a later date. However, when I do want to check them, say, every 20-30 minutes or so (e.g. Twitter, Facebook or Tumblr), it takes 3 or 4 seconds for Chrome to load that tab, because it has to load all the pictures and stuff from its cache, rather than from RAM. Presumably, Chrome decided to put the processes to sleep and store the data in the cache until I needed them later, which frees up memory and makes the rest of my browsing less clunky, but it does make it rather frustrating, since I check twitter frequently, spend less than 30 seconds reading them, but want the new tweets right now, rather than in 3 or 4 seconds. It would be a lot quicker if it actually loaded the page from the web instead of the cache.

The way Firefox does things (in 3.6 - haven't spent much time with 4 yet) makes general browsing a lot slower, because it doesn't put stuff to sleep when I'm not using it, so all the open tabs are still taking up precious RAM and processor time, but it makes it a lot more functional for checking twitter, fb, tumblr, etc the way I do.

Of course, that's nothing a bit of extra RAM wouldn't fix. And I've generally changed my surfing habits to compensate (closing the twitter tab and opening it when I want to check it in Chrome, so that it doesn't have to access its cache before showing me the goods).

I don't know how Opera does it. And given that most of the people who use Opera here seem to have a lot more RAM than me (and generally better computers), I doubt they'd face similar problems to me anyway.
 
Of course, that's nothing a bit of extra RAM wouldn't fix.

Nope. Once the browser gets up to around 6-800 MB of memory usage things start to get clunky even with several GB of memory still free. Or if you try to do anything moderately intensive in the browser, say watching a movie on Netflix, there's obvious stutter when navigating other pages.

It's just poor optimization or a lack of optimization, take your pick.

Edit: Now, more RAM would probably fix your issues with Chrome. What you're describing sounds more like Window's VMM paging out the processes for the inactive tabs (normal behavior), rather than anything Chrome itself is doing.
 
Ahh I see, so it is related to Chrome using separate processes, but not actually caused by Chrome... Well it's good to know that adding more RAM would help with that!
 
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