Okay, so like I was a very big civ III fan, bought IV the day it was released, hated it. Sold it to my neighbor's son for $25 dollars and never looked back. Kept playing conquests and was perfectly happy. Unitl I joined the military, went to basic, and came home to find somebody had stolen both my conquest and my morrowind games. So I buy Oblivion and play that, and then my wife, knowing I would rather play civ, goes out and gets civ . . . only it's civ IV not III, she got the gold edition with warlords. I really didn't wanna tell her she got the wrong thing, thought I would play around with it for awhile, make her happy, and then find civ III complete somewhere, switch and she would never know. Only when I forced myself to really play, I started to actually like the game. At first I just kept reloading when I made mistakes or things didn't go my way, used the wb, cause I had no real desire to learn the game. Then I started to like and appreciate it and so I played a few games at Monarch level, but admitttedly these were reloaded a couple times, couldn't break the habit. Then just as I decide to play a game through without reloading, my wife surprises me again and I get BTS for x-mas. So then I went back to reloading as I tried to learn to play BTS and get a handle on the new stuff. Finally I decided I was ready to really play a legitimate game, Persia, Standard Pangea, Normal Speed, Monarch difficulty and won a domination victory in 1440 AD score: 4428 --> 207284, Augustus Caesar. Now I am thinking of trying Inca & space race.