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[BNW] First Liberty Game and Need Advice (Pictures Included | Immortal Difficulty)

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Strategy & Tips' started by Civ V > Civ VI, May 30, 2018.

  1. Civ V > Civ VI

    Civ V > Civ VI Chieftain

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    So, I decided to create an account to thank this forum for all the great tips and strategies that have helped me push the difficulty up little by little. I have been going basic tradition almost every game, and I decided to try out liberty in this game primarily because there were 4 luxuries in my capital and after scouting for a little bit, I found that I had room to expand and even more luxuries in my expands. Everything just seemed to fall into place to try and do liberty.

    Below are some pictures of the game state:






    So, first I'll give you some background on the game, and then I would love to hear your opinions about what to do next and what I should have done instead.

    So, I decided very early on that I was going to attempt liberty and I thought that the Pyramids would be a strong wonder (I have never built it before). So, I rushed masonry and built the Pyramids as soon as I could (before settlers). After that I had the collective rule policy and cranked out 5 settlers in a row. I was planning on doing more, but happiness was becoming an issue and I didn't see any great locations to settle. My first city Te-Moak, so that I could get a quick religion with Uluru which I thought could be a good solution for unhappiness later in the game. It was about this time that I got the ridiculous idea of trying to get Petra in an expand on immortal. Then I remembered that I received a free great person as the liberty finisher, so I decided I would rush Petra in that city. I didn't settle that city until after Agaidka and Goshute because those cities were more contested and I wanted to define my borders. Then I settled Pohokwi and finally Washawkie. In each city I built a monument first because it was taking a ridiculously long time to get to the finisher policy of liberty (that is what delayed Petra so much).Then in each city I just built what I felt I needed at the time (either a caravan, granary, watermill, or archers). At this point you guys can see I have two more turns until libraries are finished and then I can start the national college immediately. So now I have some questions:

    Do you think I have delayed the national college too much (It will be done by about turn 90 - 95).
    Was the building of Pyramids a mistake?
    Was the building of Petra a mistake?
    Should I have settled more or less cities?

    Any other things about the game up to this point that you can comment about, I would greatly appreciate.

    Now about the future of the game. What should my pans consist of?
    I don't know what "filler" policies to take (I get a new policy in 10 turns).
    Should I attack one of my neighbors and tell me what you guys would do at this point.

    Thanks for any help!
     
  2. marcopolothefraud

    marcopolothefraud Chieftain

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    For Immortal, this is a fantastic and highly lucky opening. You're surrounded by friendly AI (Netherlands, Portugal, Austria) and your cities have a lovely population. I don't feel like either wonder was a mistake - you didn't sacrifice settling space to make them, and the NC delay won't be too significant.

    However - you seem to have low income (only 10 gpt), and that's not enough to maintain city-state allies (and therefore happiness). Get markets ASAP and sell your luxury/strat resources. For the game's future - maybe turn that start into a warmongering empire with Crossbowmen, Cannons or Artillery (I'd recommend Cannons). Patronage would be incredibly important if you tried to do that. Portugal's an easy target with an isolated and mostly-flat capital, then maybe the Netherlands.

    Good luck!
     
  3. mbbcam

    mbbcam Prince

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    I'm no expert, but the first thing I'd advise is to read Acken's guide, if you haven't done so already:

    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/liberty-wide-game-guide-ackens-version.559009/

    I don't think your friendly neighbours will stay friendly for very long if you only have four archers. You also seem to be a bit short of workers. So building units would probably be a good plan. And another caravan.

    As for the long-term plan, domination seems a fairly obvious choice. You have the Pyramids, which supports pillage-repair, so flooding the map with units and earning by pillaging could be done.
     
  4. raider980

    raider980 Warlord

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    Looks really good for Immortal. Especially getting Petra, that's never bad. What's bad is trying for and the AI gets it right before you, which seems to happen a lot so I usually don't even try for it. Get that Petra city up and running asap. Might be worth sending a food caravan to it, gotta expand to those hills. Although there's lots of food there anyway so maybe not.
     

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