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First Strike

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by XeroTheta, Oct 30, 2005.

  1. XeroTheta

    XeroTheta Chieftain

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    Has anyone figured out exactly how this works? I haven't found an entry for it in the civilopedia.

    It's 4:00 am here and i've spent an hour looking on these forums for the info but I can't find it and I've lost patience :D

    Anyways, the obvious. If one unit has first strike, and the other doesn't, then I assume it means that the unit with first strike gets a chance to "kill" a hitpoint of the other unit before any real fighting starts. I also assume this means that a normal roll is made, and that if the roll fails, it just means the first strike misses and then it goes to normal combat.

    Does first strike work when attacking as well as defense?

    What happens when both units have first strike?

    Anyways, anyone who can clear this up for me, I thank you!

    Also, I've noticed you can get up to Drill 4, which gives 2 extra first strikes... this means a navy seal, normally 1-2 first strikes, could have 3-4 first strikes, meaning it could outright kill another unit without even being shot back at... is this correct?
     
  2. Ruffin

    Ruffin Warlord

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    It appears that it's on attack as well as defense The exact mechanics I'm not sure of.

    Best bet is to experiment. If you have a war coming up, try different promotions and see what they do. I accidentally put barrage on one of my tanks last night and discovered that it was bashing the whole enemy stack when I attacked. It never occurred to me that barrage was for anything but artillery. Put first strike on because I wanted to do some positional defense, and was getting first shots on the attack.

    Someone with more patience needs to work all this stuff up into a handy worksheet for us lazy folks.
     
  3. The Daikon

    The Daikon Chieftain

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    Yeah, trying out different promotions get pretty interesting.
    For instance, I was curious with the decription of the Flanking II; immune to first stirkes.
    So I decided give that promotion to one of my tanks. It turned out to give that tank got significant advantage when attacking machine guns (they have first strikes).
    But like the rest, I don't really know what it does.
    It's so strange there's a game concept nobody actually understands.
     
  4. Insanity_X

    Insanity_X Warlord

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    first strikes mean that the unit with them takes no damage in the first X rounds of battle. (where X is the number of first strikes the unit gets). however as I know nothing about tha actual mechanics of the battle system I cannot enlighten you further.

    as for what happens if both units have the same number of first strikes. (things get more complex for first strike chances and what you do then)

    and your last statement is correct. also, the person who'll probably fill in the gaps of knowledge in this thread will be PieceOfMind.

    actually, why did you bump up a 4 year old thread?
     
  5. PieceOfMind

    PieceOfMind Drill IV Defender Retired Moderator

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    See link in my signature. ;)

    Or just in case I ever change my signature, First Strikes.
     
  6. Iranon

    Iranon Deity Whipping Boy

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    Holy necromancy, Batman!

    Some practical considerations:

    First strikes shine when you have excellent combat odds anyway; in particular they increase the chance of being entirely undamaged in the battle. They are also particularly useful against wounded opponents: Combat might do better against a Macemen but Drill might do better against a Rifleman reduced to strength 8.

    As such, Drill is an excellent promotion line for cleanup units relying on siege for the initial assault or to deal with vastly superior numbers of individually weak units (here it also reduces the ability of an opponent to equalise by throwing a ton of siege at you, because you also take less collateral damage). It is generally unattractive for 'fair' fights against units of comparable strength.
     
  7. The Daikon

    The Daikon Chieftain

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    WOW:eek:!
    Thanks a lot! It looks like I was in a totally different world. Without Insanity_X's help, I would never have been able to find PieceOfMind's great article in this labyrinth!

    Why bump on it now? Well, you may find the hint in that word, "labyrinth."
     

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