Florida conservatives fight transgender restroom rule

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I saw this in my local paper, and after Googling this is the only one that was the same that was still up.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/sfl-bn-0109transgender,0,2591959.story

Spoiler :

GAINESVILLE - A blond girl heads from a playground into a women's restroom. A scruffy man, lurking outside, darts in behind her. ``Your City Commission Made This Legal,'' the words on the TV screen read. And it's true, sort of.

The dark ad came from opponents of a gender identity provision added last year to the city's anti-discrimination ordinance, which now allows the city's roughly 100 transgender residents to use whichever restroom they're most comfortable using.

Foes want to repeal the new protection with a March 24 ballot measure that has divided Gainesville, a generally gay-friendly university city surrounded by staunchly conservative north Florida.

Those who support the transgender protections say their opponents are really unleashing a broader attack on the rights of gay, lesbian and transgender individuals in general.

The city commission approved the restroom provision by a 4-3 vote a year ago. Before the ink could dry, Bible-quoting opponents angrily began working for its repeal.

``You are trying to operate in a realm you do not have the authority to operate in,'' one pastor, George Brantley, told the commissioners.

The debate is expected to become noisier as the ballot nears with opponents resorting to more TV ads and campaigns pegged to such slogans as ``Keep Men out of Women's Restrooms and vice versa.''

Organizations defending transgender rights are mustering their own campaign.

The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force notes 108 cities and counties nationwide have similar transgender protections. An attempt to repeal an ordinance in Montgomery County, Md., failed when a court ruled opponents did not collect enough signatures to place it on the ballot.

Citizens for Good Public Policy, the group behind the commercial that aired last summer in Gainesville, collected more than 6,000 signatures last summer to win a referendum. If approved, the repeal measure would also prevent the commission from adding protections beyond what the state requires: race, color, sex, religion, national origin, age, disability and marital status.

Cain Davis, chairman of Citizens for Good Public Policy, said the issue is about regulating a ``government gone wild'' and ensuring public safety, charging that sexual predators could now simply enter a women's restroom claiming to be a transgender individual.

``We know when men go into women's restrooms, bad things can happen,'' Davis said.

City Commissioner Crag Lowe, leader of a group called Equality is Gainesville's Business, called the ads from Davis' group a grossly distorted attempt to whip up fears.

Lowe's group believes anti-discrimination protections for people who change their sexual orientation are good for business and foster diversity. He noted that 433 of the Fortune 500 companies have policies covering sexual orientation and 153 cover gender identity.

Since the ordinance took effect, police have reported no problems in public restrooms stemming from the law.

Retired postal worker Donna Lee, who became a female with surgery in 2001, moved to Gainesville from Ocala last March after hearing about the anti-discrimination ordinance. The 60-year-old is working to save the protections.

"We just want to live our lives with the basic civil rights that everyone else has,'' Lee said.

But some are taking no chances.

Computer programmer Clare Holman, who was born male but now lives as a female, said she simply stays away from public toilets.

"I don't want to run afoul of the law by using the wrong restroom,'' Holman said.


The only reason it really interests me is because it's Gainesville where.... oh, just look at my avatar and sig and take a guess :D

So what you think?
 
Looks like a man > male restroom > use cubicle if genitals are wrong shape.

Looks like a woman > female restroom > again with the cubicle.

If people want to be unreasonable, they'll just have to go to the toilet in their bags.
 
I personally think having different bathrooms for different genders is a violation of civil rights. "Separate but Equal" indeed. :p


On the practical side, how do you prove that you are the gender you claim to be or if you are transgendered?
 
Look, we're not adding new restrooms everywhere.

If we did, everyone would go to the transgender restroom anyway, because it would have the shortest line.

ps. Do man-boobs qualify for legitimate use of the restroom? I mean, I know it is (supposedly) not on purpose, but it is kinda transgender.
 
I don't understand this muppet propaganda. If the scruffy man is really a man, then he's not a transgender person, and if the scruffy man is actually a female, he should be able to go in anyway, so what's the problem?
 
What the hell? Biologically speaking your man if you have a penis and a women if you have a vagina. I don't get all this claiming BS, if they can just "claim" whatever they want because they got boob implants then well, Im black, Im also 6'4.
 
There are many, many ways to determine gender. For example, holy king and Harbringer disagree on how to define man and woman, since their criteria is not the same.

So the trick is to not be stupid or rude about the whole restroom thing.
 
biologically speaking you're a man if you have an xy chromosome pair and a woman if you have an xx chromosome pair.

Even that doesn't work perfectly. There are cases of XY females and XX males - something to do with hormones not being released at the right stage of pregnancy, or triggering when they shouldn't. Real technical stuff.
 
In related news, MTV has cast a he-she in the latest season of the Real World, lol.
 
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