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Flying will become unsafe if this passes.

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by SerriaFox, Sep 19, 2011.

  1. Integral

    Integral Can't you hear it?

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    Why is the new tax being levied only one "corporate jets and turbine-powered aircraft"? Seems sort of arbitrary.
     
  2. Silurian

    Silurian Deity

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    Because they do not want to tax smaller aircraft.
     
  3. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    Commercial airliners are already taxed. As are other large aircraft. Aircraft that are not turbine powered are few and far between on FAA controlled airstrips. Anything not powered by a turbine is either very small or very old. So apparently those categories, which usually stick to local airports outside the air traffic control system, are deemed beneath the threshold that they care about.
     
  4. SS-18 ICBM

    SS-18 ICBM Oscillator

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    I like how it's the fault of the government that certain people chose to ignore ATC instead of the people who chose to ignore using ATC.
     
  5. zjl56

    zjl56 Emperor

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    ATC is the basis of civilian air security, and if the ATC can't properly identify a plane within U.S airspace it becomes the Air force's problem. I really don't think someone is stupid enough to risk their lives for a few hundred on tax savings
     
  6. History_Buff

    History_Buff Knight of Cydonia

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    Well, realistically, if ATC can't identify a plane in general controlled airspace (airports, air corridors), it's usually just radio trouble. To think the Air Force is getting involved is a bit dramatic.
     
  7. zjl56

    zjl56 Emperor

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    Eh, maybe. But, if you would willingly willingly just ignore ATC and escalated things just because you are some "tax fanatic", don't expect any sympathy if you get blown out of the sky.
     
  8. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    They call out the AF to check out unidentified planes and ones out of contact.
     
  9. Colonel

    Colonel Sandbox

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    Hehehe! Time to watch some rich fat cats try to avoid ATC and get blown up. hehehehe!!!

    As to the topic at hand it is completely reasonable to charge private jets and the like a 100 dollar fee for using a government service since as of now they basically pay nothing other then a fuel tax. Considering Airliners pay significantly more and pass that onto the customer I don't see a problem with this minimal tax. As for ignoring ATC, try it let me know how that turns out for you, especially when you start getting close to major cities or restricted airspace. It's not our fault when you get buzzed by a couple military fighters, escorted to the ground, and arrested for violations of various parts of the USC.
     
  10. History_Buff

    History_Buff Knight of Cydonia

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    Seriously? Well there you go. That doesn't much happen here, though we don't exactly have the airframes lying around for that.
     
  11. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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    Basically the ATC is a service and right now corporate jets are not paying for this service, so they should pay up and pay for using a service like everyone else. For too long have the rich and corporations got away with things that us regular fol can't.
     
  12. asbestos

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    Correction: this will only make air travel less safe for rich people.
     
  13. emzie

    emzie wicked witch of the North

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    If anything, it makes air travel safer for everyone, since it provides for extra funding for ATC.
     
  14. MjM

    MjM Deity

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    After reading the OP, the article, and the comments on this thread, I see no problem with this new development.
     
  15. Nick Carpathia

    Nick Carpathia Unleash the HAARP

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    Being forced to pay a tax to regulate the passage of 200 pounds of jet fuel over major cities is socialism! How dare society try to nationalise the airspace over their heads!
     
  16. Yeekim

    Yeekim Deity

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    Excuse me?

    Rallying against this is like saying you can't afford a tiny bumper sticker for that new Hummer you just bought.
     
  17. jtb1127

    jtb1127 Deity

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    I don't think this talk of ATC avoidance will even occur because the fine is so small.
     
  18. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    9/11 :p No unidentified large aircraft are going to be running around without being checked out. You can still go wherever you want in a Cessna, so long as you stay out of the way of larger aircraft. But anything big enough to do real damage, they want to know who you are. And even if they know who you are, but you aren't responding to the radio, they'll check to make sure you aren't hijacked.

    So who can do that? The guys with the fighter jets.
     
  19. downtown

    downtown Crafternoon Delight

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    The analogy of paying per red light for police service isn't a sound one. Police and Fire services are either paid out of a state's general fund, or out of local property taxes. There wouldn't be a significant population of "free riders"...if a city was worried about a large population of commuters using up protection services without paying, they can impose other taxes (by say, cutting property taxes and adding a city income tax).

    That doesn't seem to be the case here, since ATC is primarily funded from usage fees? We've already have a few problems this year with ATC guys falling asleep at work. We probably need more of them, and a single 100 dollar fee per flight seems pretty reasonable.

    Besides, this isn't exactly radical socialism. George W Bush proposed the same thing.
     
  20. Wolfbeckett

    Wolfbeckett Jerkin' and nonsense.

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    This is fine by me. The alternative proposed in this thread, raising the fuel tax, is terrible, as all it does is raise the cost of commercial air flight once again, shifting the cost from the private jet owners onto ordinary fliers. People who want the fuel tax to be raised are literally arguing that the poor and middle class should be paying the way for the rich. I can only describe that as some sort of bizarro-world backwards socialism.
     

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