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football thread No11

Discussion in 'Sports Talk' started by Carras Dad, Feb 26, 2013.

  1. MilesGregarius

    MilesGregarius Half-baked Renegade

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    I, for one, would love to see the CL Final turned into a Merseyside derby. The Toffees had better win, though, or the Kopites would be insufferable.
     
  2. Mise

    Mise isle of lucy

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    "This year will be different. We have Ramsey, we have Ozil, we'll have Walcott back soon -- we'll storm take them by storm after Christmas! All we need is a couple decent signings in January and we're set for another decade of success under Wenger!"

    :(
     
  3. Oruc

    Oruc Reactionary

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    Aren't the top seven owned by millionaires?
    Shame Arsenal imploded I wanted them for champs
     
  4. Takhisis

    Takhisis Rum and coke.

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    A lot of clubs are owned by millionaires, unfortunately. That's Thatcherism applied to football: the poor are troublesome people who know nothing, so they should be kept at arm's length except when it's time to ask for their money.
     
  5. Quackers

    Quackers The Frog

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    Rich people have always owned football clubs. Money has always been invested into football clubs. The enormous Old Trafford did not just spring out of the ground.

    We don't have a tradition of fan ownership in this country. I think only Swansea do it in the top flight.
     
  6. Mise

    Mise isle of lucy

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    Millionaires really doesn't mean anything... I mean, most Championship footballers are millionaires.
     
  7. Takhisis

    Takhisis Rum and coke.

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    Yes, Quackers, but there's a difference between Lord this-or-that putting some funding into a club and having a mobster get a club to treble any other club's budget. Just like any convention that is disregarded enough, Financial Fair Play will be made a statute soon.

    x-post edit: Mise is right, Wigan (!) are owned by a millionaire after all.
     
  8. Quackers

    Quackers The Frog

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    I think with the financial success of the PL it has pushed a new type of foreign billionaire into ownership. You think about the real term cost of operating a club, buying players and so on, it must have risen considerably since 1992 when the PL was founded. Add in the relaxation of laws and it became easier for non-Britons to buy a football club.
     
  9. Takhisis

    Takhisis Rum and coke.

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    The process has been an arms race in which some clubs have come to be waaay above the others. Do you see anyone but a top half-dozen (maybe a bit more, eight or nine now) clubs having a chance at even European qualification? Once you've squeezed the other clubs out of that money they're effed. Look at Villa for one! After being only three points behind Citeh (and one above an imploding Liverpool) in 2010, they've never qualified for anything again. :(
     
  10. Gucumatz

    Gucumatz JS, secretly Rod Serling

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    Rich people in GB*

    Fixed it for ya. And Swansea isn't really a premier league team
     
  11. Takhisis

    Takhisis Rum and coke.

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    No, they aren't. Have they won any major trophies recently?
     
  12. Quackers

    Quackers The Frog

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    Yeah of course, why would i talk about the Bundesliga? Nobody cares about that.
    Swansea isn't a Premier League team...? So why do they play in it? :lol:
     
  13. Gucumatz

    Gucumatz JS, secretly Rod Serling

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    I don't know - y'all are willing to let the Welsh play actual football with you and don't mind keeping the Scots in their own league. Your whole island is a contradictory mess and always been so :p
     
  14. Quackers

    Quackers The Frog

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    The process has always been competitive. It's just that the new owners are super-rich and mainly foreign. The history of football is littered with sugar daddies coming in and investing large sums into clubs. It's not a modern phenomenon.

    Manchester United would be nowhere if it wasn't for John Henry Davis, likewise Arsenal would be in the lower divisons if it wasn't for Henry Norris.

    It is rare that a club will break a monopoly of larger, wealthier sides without major investment. In the past twenty years I can only think of Everton in 04/05 who vastly over-achieved when they finished fourth (17th in the previous season).
    The best indicator of position is going to be the amount spent on wages.
     
  15. Takhisis

    Takhisis Rum and coke.

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    Right, 'cos Germany and all their regional leagues and being divided into two is not a mess.
    Yes, but, before, new owners came and didn't just make the scales jump. Even second-division players are now sold at millions of pounds nowadays when a couple decades ago no player would be sold for even a single million. The inflationary madness will have to stop at some point.

    Of course, Super Roman came in buying not only players but officials as well, which was a real shame on the game and all involved.
    There are no long-term projects such as the Boot Room these days except the Arsène plan.
     
  16. BirraImperial

    BirraImperial Pura Vida!

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    The Regionalliga system is 4th division. The 1st placed teams from each of the 5 ligas + the 2nd place of the Regionalliga Südwest go to a play-off and the 3 winners are promoted to the 3. Liga. Not confusing at all :crazyeye:
     
  17. Takhisis

    Takhisis Rum and coke.

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    Oh, don't be coy, I mean all the previous regional leagues. And the whole two Germanies issue.
     
  18. Gucumatz

    Gucumatz JS, secretly Rod Serling

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    A retiree who came back due to the injury crisis [Friedrich who cramps up every ten minutes in each game I have watched with him] and two youth squad players playing for Dortmund and they are up 2-0 so far against Real. Why is Ronaldo on the bench?

    Edit: Correction 3 youth players: Jojic, Durm, and Kirch.
     
  19. Gucumatz

    Gucumatz JS, secretly Rod Serling

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    2 open goal misses by Mikhytariyan and one fairly easy attempt missed in front of goal. Pretty much sums up Dortmund's season so far :lol: -> Injuries and missed attempts. Chelsea seems to be through it seems
     
  20. BirraImperial

    BirraImperial Pura Vida!

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    It's not every day that you watch Real Madrid on an all-out-defensive strategy, begging for the game to be over. Dortmund were really unlucky not to get a third goal. Iker also saved a couple of shots that should have gone in.

    Edit: Not a bad performance from BVB at all, considering the tons of injuries they had all season long. Real, on the other hand, was disappointing. CR7 dependence much?
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