One more point about Gravel and Kucinich, I admire principled people. Does anyone here doubt the level of political discourse in this country would improve a hundred fold if people like Gravel and Kucinich represented democrats and people like Ron Paul represented Republicans? Gone would be the partisan blue team vs. red team garbage. Principled opposition would be the standard of the day. They would convene and find out where they could stand together on issues and even in areas of disagreement there could be a healthy philosophical debate, without any vitriol.