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Foreign Affairs Department - Term 4

Discussion in 'Civ3 Demo Game: Government' started by chiefpaco, Jul 2, 2002.

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  1. chiefpaco

    chiefpaco Chieftain

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    Welcome to the Foreign Affairs (FA) Department! Citizen participation is key to the quality of life in Phoenatica and to the enjoyment of all citizens. During this term, watch for proposals on changing Phoenatica's FA direction in the citizens and polls forums. I encourage your direct feedback and opinion in all FA threads opened in other forums. In this thread, the FA Dept will closely monitor all of your general comments and requests.

    Thank-you,
    Foreign Affairs Department

    Foreign Minister - chiefpaco
    Deputy Foreign Minister - adamsj

    I will open by continuing chiefpaco's (me), Plexus', and Padma's work from the previous term. The policies and operations from term 2 will carry over and re-assessed in time. This thread is open for all debate, recommendations, and objections to the scope of our Foreign policy.

    FOREIGN POLICY
    1. We may declare war only in the event that an ally requests an alliance against a civ below that ally's rank.
    2. We may not seek military alliances, military protection pacts, or trade embargos with civilizations of a lower rating than recognized or potential victims.
    3. We will not agree to foreign demands of extorsion.
    4. We will prosecute a campaign of Cultural Assault in support or our Manifest Destiny. Manifest Destiny is defined as territory in the effective corruption reducing radius of Fox Nest.
    5. We will practice a campaign of regular extorsion against Rogue Nations. We will extort Suspect Nations if they have a required resource or technology.
    6. We will not sign Rights of Passage with Rogue Nations. We may sign Rights of Passage with Suspect Nations and Common Neighbors to achieve strategic goals. We will always endeavor to renew Rights of Passage with Most Favored Nations and Able Partners.
    7. We will not raze captured cities.
    8. We will not renew Peace Treaties with Rogue Nations. We will renew Peace Treaties with Suspect Nations if they posess a resource or technology that we need. We will always renew Peace Treaties with all other ranks of civilizaitons.
    9. Unless specifically previously proposed and accepted by the citizens, Military Protection Pacts, Alliances, and Trade Embargos shall be rejected during the course of a turn. They will be noted and put to a vote for us to decide if we wish to initiate them for turn 0 of the next round.
    10. We will attempt to achieve and maintain a polite or gracious attitude from our Favoured Nations and Able Partners. We will also attempt to avoid a furious attitude from our Common Neighbours. This may involve any of the following with such nations, subject to a proposal and citizen acceptance:
      - Promoting trade
      - Small Gifts
      - Establishing Embassies
      - Right of Passage Agreements
      - Limiting troop movement in their territory
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      RANKS
      Most Favored Nations
      Iroquois
      England

      Able Partners
      Rome

      Common Neighbors
      Zululand
      India

      Suspect Nations
      Greece
      Azteca
      Babylon
      China

      Rogue Nations
      None


      HOW RANKS ARE DETERMINED
      Polls are taken asking citizens to score the AI civs from 5 (best) to 1 (worst). These votes were tabulated and run through a simplifying formula to come up with the rating numbers.
      Spread Formula (vote, points):
      5, 3
      4, 1
      3, 0
      2, -1
      1, -3

      These will be repolled each term for all civs and as needed for individual civs when their actions warrant it (someone declares war on us, attempts extorsion, agrees to an alliance and helps us kick butt, etc).


      CURRENT CIV RATING NUMBERS
      England 30
      Iroquois 24
      Rome 19
      India 6
      Zululand -3
      Babylon -12
      Greece -14
      Azteca -14
      China -18

      Public Opinion Results Spreadsheet

      RATE# RANK
      20+, Most Favored Nation (MFN)
      10 to 19, Able Partner (AP)
      -9 to 9, Common Neighbor (CN)
      -19 to -10, Suspect Nation (SN)
      <=-20 Rogue Nation (RN)


      HOW RANKS DEFINE THE FOREIGN POLICY AND FOREIGN AFFAIRS TURN PROPOSALS

      EXCHANGE RATE - These generalizations will be used to help figure out whether a proposed deal amount is acceptable or not.

      MFN - Fair trade
      AP - Small Gain
      CN - Medium gain
      SN - Large gain
      RN - Extortionate gain

      CREDIT RATING - Deals for gold/turn get more income but also create the possibility that the AI civ will bankrupt and declare war to break the deals and save their economy. This table shows how we will try to structure deals.

      MFN - Straight payment first, then g/t
      AP - Straight payment first, then g/t
      CN - Even mix
      SN - G/t first, then straight payment
      RN - G/t first, then straight payment

      ALLIANCES - When requested by a foreign nation, consult the civS' ranks. An alliance can be granted if the target nation is a rank below the requesting nation. When we seek alliances, requests may be made to nations equal to or above the target nation's status.

      RIGHT OF PASSAGE - Rank will determine whether we always want an ROP, never want an ROP or will use opportunistic ROPs (when we intend to move through that civ's territory).

      MFN - Always
      AP - Always
      CN - Opportunistic
      SN - Opportunistic
      RN - Never

      PEACE TREATY RENEGOTIATION - Rank will determine whether we will seek peace treaty renegotitations.

      MFN - Always
      AP - Always
      CN - Always
      SN - Opportunistic
      RN - Never

      EXTORSION - Rank will determine if we will extort the civ at all, only when they have something we want, or if we will do it constantly.

      MFN - Never
      AP - Never
      CN - Never
      SN - Opportunistic
      RN - Every 20 turns or less

      The Department thread for term 3 can be found here.
     
  2. Chieftess

    Chieftess Moderator Retired Moderator

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    This is a reminder to all cabinet members and governors to post their build queues and turn chat instructions for tonights turn chat, if they haven't done so already.
     
  3. chiefpaco

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    At War with
    Greece declared war on us in 1480 AD. We negotiated peace in 1535AD.

    Foreign Relations
    Gracious: None
    Polite: England, Rome
    Cautious: India
    Annoyed: China, Zulu, Aztecs, Iroquois, Babylon
    Furious: Greece

    ROP Agreements
    (nation, turns left, gpt to us)
    Zulu, 0, 0
    India, 0, 0
    England, 0, 0
    Iroquois, 0, 0
    Rome, 0, 0

    Trade Embargos
    We signed against, with, turns left
    Greece, (China, Rome, Babylon), 0

    Other Foreign Pacts
    Rome declared war on Greece in 1365AD (with Chinese alliance).
    Babylon declared war on Greece in 1370AD (with Iroquois alliance).
    Aztecs and India allied against China in 1445AD. Hence Aztecs declared war on China in 1445AD.
    India and Zulu sign MPP in 1490AD.
    Iroquois and Babylon allied against Greece in 1515AD. Hence Iroquois declared war on Greece in 1515AD.
    England at war with Greece. (MPP with Iro?)

    FA Spending
    (Nation, amount, turns to expire)
    Iroquois, 5gpt, 7

    Foreign Governments
    Democracy: England, Zulu, Iroquois, India, Aztecs, China
    Republic: Rome
    Communism: Greece, Babylon
     
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    chiefpaco Chieftain

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    Foreign Relations
    Gracious: None
    Polite: England
    Cautious: India
    Annoyed: China, Zulu, Aztecs, Iroquois, Babylon, Rome
    Furious: Greece

    ROP Agreements
    (nation, turns left, gpt to us)
    England, 0, 0
    Iroquois, 0, 0
    Rome, 0, 0

    Other Foreign Pacts
    Rome declared war on Greece in 1365AD (with Chinese alliance).
    Babylon declared war on Greece in 1370AD (with Iroquois alliance).
    Aztecs and India allied against China in 1445AD. Hence Aztecs declared war on China in 1445AD. Peace achieved in 1550AD.
    India and Zulu sign MPP in 1490AD.
    Iroquois and Babylon allied against Greece in 1515AD. Hence Iroquois declared war on Greece in 1515AD.
    England at war with Greece. (MPP with Iro?)
    Zulu and China sign MPP in 1565AD.

    FA Spending
    (Nation, amount, turns to expire)
    Iroquois, 5gpt, 10

    Foreign Governments
    Democracy: England, Zulu, India, Aztecs, China
    Republic: Rome
    Communism: Greece, Babylon, Iroquois
     
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    Chieftess Moderator Retired Moderator

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    Please vote in the Council Vote for governor of Istar, province 7, and Public Defender
     
  8. Octavian X

    Octavian X is not a pipe.

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    I fear that the communist government of Babylon may be preparing for an attack. A stack of infantry was seen on a hill near our border with them, near Sparta.
     
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    Chieftess Moderator Retired Moderator

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    There's 4 riflemen and 2 workers. We should still keep an eye on that region. Also, if Babylon attacks us, the Aztecs may have a reason to join in, too.
     
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    A council vote is in session for the appointed governor of New Cormyr. Please cast your vote.
     
  11. chiefpaco

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    At War
    Iroquois declared war on us in 1615AD. They abused a ROP and took PDX.

    Foreign Relations
    Gracious: None
    Polite: England, Rome, India
    Cautious: None
    Annoyed: China, Zulu, Aztecs, Babylon
    Furious: Greece
    Does not acknowledge our envoy: Iroquois.

    ROP Agreements
    (nation, turns left, gpt to us)
    England, 0, 0
    Rome, 0, 0

    Other Foreign Pacts
    Rome declared war on Greece in 1365AD (with Chinese alliance). Peace agreed in 1600AD. (That was a long war...)
    Babylon declared war on Greece in 1370AD (with Iroquois alliance).
    Iroquois and Babylon allied against Greece in 1515AD. Hence Iroquois declared war on Greece in 1515AD. Peace achieved.
    England at war with Greece. (MPP with Iro?)
    Zulu and China sign MPP in 1565AD.
    India and Babylon sign an alliance against Greece in 1600AD. Hence India declared war on Greece in 1600AD.
    China and Babylon sign an allience against Greece. Hence China declared war on Greece in 1610AD.
    Zulu and Babylon signed an alliance against Greece. Hence Zulu declared war on Greece in 1615AD.
    Zulu and Rome share a MPP.
    Aztecs and India share a MPP.

    FA Spending
    (Nation, amount, turns to expire)
    Rome. Horses. 14.

    Foreign Governments
    Democracy: England, Zulu, India, Aztecs, China
    Republic: Rome
    Communism: Greece, Babylon, Iroquois
     
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    Myartar Yeah, I'm back

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    Forgien Minister Chiefpaco,
    I've done a little investigating through back channels and have learned that the Indians, the Iroquois neighbor to the southwest, would be willing to enter into an alliance agianst the Iroquois for either Radio, or simply an alliance agianst the Greeks. The alliance agianst the greeks is most likely out of the question b/c of our policies, but do keep in mind they are down to one city and still very hostile. This is also the cheapest of the options since it would entail virtually nothing from our end. This alliance would not only bring in the Indians, but also the Atzec, since they share and MPP with the Indians. Just something you may want to look into yourself and maybe suggest to Gen. Falcon and the president.
     
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    Almightyjosh Governor in Waiting

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    Hmmm, it would be really good to have the indians on our side and it's not like the Greeks can hurt us at all!! However, if drawing the greeks and aztecs into this starts off another domino war...
    Be careful with your investigating, Myartar, remember only the President can play the game!! You don't want to be the subject of a public investigation.
     
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    donsig Low level intermediary

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    The question of bringing India in to the war on our side is tempting if only to prevent them from joining the Iroquois. I'm not sure if it is worth it. In any event I would be against another war with Greece.

    Anyone can check on what deals are available just as long as none are made!

    We have an agent in the Iroquoian capital. Does the FA Dept. have any plans for using him (or her)?
     
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    I strongly support an alliance with India but do not approve declaring war on another power in order to get it.
     
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    Almightyjosh Governor in Waiting

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    It depends on what the other power is. If it's Greece, I say go for it, they can't hurt us now!! If the Indians came in on our side, we would effectively only have to fight half the Iro's army (hopefully!). If Greece, or another nation that would have trouble attacking in any force, should be brought in against us, this must be measured against the significant downgrading of the Iros as a threat.
     
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    The FA Dept is wary of entering too many wars at once. I am also wary of entering wars we do not intend to take action on. Greece has had their day of reckoning with us and I would prefer to keep them out of future affairs.

    I am also hesitant to get help in this war. Any agreement is 20 turns and we are not one to break treaties. This takes away our flexibility in ending wars and may hurt our democracy more than the help we would get from another nation.

    I am confident we can withstand the Iroquois military force. If other nations move against us, then I think we should look at our options. However, it is also my opinion that we could probably defend from all the other nations simultaneously at this point.
     
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    We could take advantage of the embargo replacement. Make an alliance, our ally declares war. Then wait one turn and get an embargo. The alliance is nullified in favor of the embargo.
     
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    Almightyjosh Governor in Waiting

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    Is that legal, or is it a bug??
     
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    I'm not sure. I've never seen it mentioned on the Forum.
     
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