This is absolutely possible scenario. To those who say religious win is not possible, yes it is, it just requires the lucky alignment of occurrences. This is another possible scenario. Still it is not a stupid AI to outsmart and raze the AP. I've never saw the AP being razed just like that for the sole reason to get rid of it in any game. But just be sure that teams will neglect the AP and secretly laugh at the one who build it as no one will consider religious win possible. I dont see anyone excited about religious win, we are discussing possibilities. And I am sure the team as a whole is well better aware what it takes to try religious win or grab it if the chance is nearby. Conquest is just as imaginary win condition, I've never seen this sign at the end of a pitboss trough my maybe ten pitboss wins. As I said, it comes either to all other just conceding at some point, or the strongest nation gets 3 legendary cities or space win or even alliance forming to end the game in relatively tie and all from the winning coalition feel winners to some degree, while the losers are clear True. It is not fantasy, I have seen it happen once - I think Classical Hero won that or at least he was in that game and can tell us more details. And in one of my games where I was happily smashing trough an alliance of only 4-5 nations left to oppose me. I got lucky that one of my opponents felt the guy with the AP dont actually deserves the win for being most of the game real douche-bag and preferred his enemy to win instead of this cheap win for his so-called-ally and did not voted for him. It was a matter of 1 or 2 votes. So yes, religious wins are not impossible. They are just always dependent on other people, so you cant really plan and win on your own. I repeat - no one will come after us if we just build the AP. Now, if we build the AP and propose religious win vote but miss it, then thats different I've done that in one game where I came as substitute. Mavericks pitboss if someone remember it. I was like position 18 out of 18 due to AI playing my nation for like month. I had only 2 cities while others had like 10 and the second was so badly placed by the AI, that I asked Niklas to just declare me a war and raze it (good point and idea about that kind of "favors", Maga) As the time was going, I gathered around myself the lesser nations of the world and there there were 3 major powers who was able to grab the space win. One was our alliance candidate, the second was a player who had done some favors to us (along with arming us with technology to produce nukes LOL) and the third was one of our worst enemies. As the time was passing, we saw that our alliance candidate is not going to make it and we decided to support the less evil of the two others. We nuked the number one enemy, so the other guy can have his space win. We did not won, but we decided who the winner is going to be. I cant tell, but not all players are reaching for the win, I have heard many times "fourth place is OK position and quite achievement in a game with competitors like you guys" or "Second place is good for me". The second place thing I have heard few times. I am not sure if teams will have this mindset, but sometimes as the game goes one changes his mind and attitude few times. What now can look impossible, at some point in the game nerves loose, hatred changes love, people get the best of other. Anything can happen We just need to keep our possibilities and eyes open. I dont think it will make ourselves a target, but also dont think it will be worth to pursue dedicated. But we will see. If we get second Priest in a row or we need theocracy or whatever, then why not? Right in the "10"! Very well summarizes the whole AP win case. And I also dont think those talks were without a gain. There are only few win conditions in the game and we just discussed and outlined one of them. Well done, team!