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Founding vs Not Founding Balance

Discussion in 'General Balance' started by Stalker0, Jan 26, 2018.

  1. Stalker0

    Stalker0 Baller Magnus

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    G,

    I was curious if you have stats on this from your AI tests.

    If we breaks civs into 3 categories:

    1) Founded
    2) Not Founded, but got a holy city through conquest.
    3) Never got a holy city.

    I was wondering how often bucket 3 wins the game? We always say religion is strong, I was curious if there was a big correlation between getting a religion and winning the game.
     
  2. Gazebo

    Gazebo Lord of the Community Patch Supporter

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    #2 is usually the strongest, as civ is a zero sum game and taking a holy city is a double-whammy. Obviously 1 is stronger than 3. I guess I'm not sure what you expected.

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  3. Ziad

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    Probably because the AI can't construct a coherent religion to save them sometimes so it doesn't matter who makes it :p ... They can be ruthlessly effective though sometimes... Gazebo's work I would think.

    Anyway the point is that the player can tailor their religion to their own conditions, so it's not a strict 1:1 comparison.
     
  4. Stalker0

    Stalker0 Baller Magnus

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    Mainly, I’m looking at the degree. Clearly having a religion is stronger than not having one, but is it so strong you affectively can’t win without it?

    That is why I was curious if ai in Bucket spacethree were actually winning games
     
  5. IcyAngel

    IcyAngel Prince

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    My affects do lose it bigly when I get beat to the last religion...
     
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  6. Gothic_Empire

    Gothic_Empire AKA, Ramen Empire

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    I actually had this same question -- if the opportunity cost of founding too high compared to the founder / follower bonuses left over for you? I.E., is there every a situation where #2 is infeasible, but the religious beliefs leftover make faith not worth its cost to acquire. And then, in such a situation, can you strategy leave you more powerful for simply ignoring religion until it comes time to decide which one of the sets of follower beliefs you get?
     
  7. tu_79

    tu_79 Deity

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    In other words, can a civl win a game if it loses the religion game and lacks the power to conquer a holy city early?
     

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