Freddie Gray was Trying to Injure Himself says Prisoner in Van

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At this point it doesn't matter, the lines are drawn.


...and I don't mean that in some head shaking faux wisdom sort of way. The war isn't about this kid, he's a symbol at best.
 
Oh, I know full well what's going on and some of the people behind it. They want civil unrest and racial controversy.

There are several cut and dry cases of police brutality against all races, but they never make the news. More whites are killed by police than blacks. An unarmed illegal immigrant was shot by a Hispanic cop last year. Just recently the black man who was shot in the back running away from the police and another one who was choked out in NYC are instances that everyone would agree the police should be prosecuted. Both of these men are far better examples of police brutality, since these cases are not controversial, but who do these people who are organizing the protests choose as their poster boys?

Trayvon Martin, Micheal Brown, and Freddie Gray.
 
Who's Gray?
 
civman110 said:
Perhaps everyone should wait for all the facts to come out before jumping to conclusions and rushing to judgement like in Michael Brown case.
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:lol:

If you think the police are leaking out facts you should see what they are leaking into your beer.
 
It's an impartial eye witness just as in the Michael Brown cases where impartial black eye witnesses supported the officer's version of events and the autopsy.

At this point I'm not saying the cops didn't do anything wrong. I'm just saying it's stupid to rush to judgement. Wait for the facts.
 
Just like it, huh? And you arrived at this judgement slowly, I presume.

:lol:
 
JollyRoger said:
Who can get a better prosecution deal.
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That's a ridiculous assumption. You have no idea what he was detained for, or even if he was charged. He could be going to the drunk tank for a misdemeanour for all you know, or being transported to take a breathalyser to determine IF he was DUI. Accused of domestic violence, detained for questioning, etc.

Wait for the facts.

Timsup2nothin said:
Just like it, huh? And you arrived at this judgement slowly, I presume.

:lol:
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Yes, people rushed to judgement in the Michael Brown case. "Hands up don't shoot" was a lie and proven so by eye witnesses and forensics.

Lets not rush to judgement here and wait for the facts to come out and if the cops were wrong prosecute them. No one wants rogue cops.
 
civman110 said:
That's stupid. You have no idea what he was detained for, or even if he was charged. He could be going to the drunk tank for a misdemeanour for all you know, or being transported to take a breathalyser to determine IF he was DUI.
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So you are claiming your key witness could have been drunk?
 
JollyRoger said:
So you are claiming your key witness could have been drunk? :lol:
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I said you have no idea what he was being detained for, or even if he was charged. You realize that not everyone who takes a breathalyser test fails right? Another assumption on your part.

You're making ridiculously wild assumptions.
 
nc-1701 said:
At this point it doesn't matter, the lines are drawn.
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It depends autopsy report, it would really hinge on how and where the spin was snapped. Though with the report of grays history with brain damage from lead poisoning, it could very well have been self harm.
Might have already been injured before being placed in the police van, then self injury would have been fatal.

Time to put cameras into police vans, on police officers and on police buildings
Remember if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear .... right republicans ? :mischief:

Medical experts said it takes powerful blunt force — akin to the impact from a car accident — to tear or sever the spinal cord. Such injuries can fatally impair the body's ability to regulate blood flow and breathing.

If Gray's neck was already injured when he was placed in the van, it may not have taken a rough ride to render him unable to speak or breathe, as he was when officers retrieved him from the vehicle, said Dr. Ali Bydon, an associate professor of neurosurgery at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. And video of Gray standing at the back of the van before being placed inside is not necessarily proof that his spine was uninjured before the ride, he said.

"It can be a progressive, cumulative loss of function if the spinal cord is unstable and unprotected," Bydon said. "You don't need tremendous force to follow up on further injury to the spine — a force you and me can take because we have stable necks, but that an unstable neck cannot withstand."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...d-gray-rough-rides-20150423-story.html#page=2
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FriendlyFire said:
It depends autopsy report, it would really hinge on how and where the spin was snapped. Though with the report of grays history with brain damage from lead poisoning, it could very well have been self harm.
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I agree, it totally depends on the autopsy.

I personally know someone who knocked himself out in the drunk tank by running head first into a wall because he wanted to stay in the hospital instead of a jail cell.
 
civman110 said:
I said you have no idea what he was being detained for, or even if he was charged. You realize that not everyone who takes a breathalyser test fails right? Another assumption on your part.

You're making ridiculously wild assumptions.
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I am not the one speculating here. I am just trying to nail down what conclusion you are jumping to. You keep getting further and further out on a limb.
 
I clearly did not. You seem to be having a problem comprehending posts. I suggest re-reading.

You speculated he was charged with a serious enough crime that would warrant making a false statement for a plea deal, which is totally ridiculous and highly illegal.
 
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