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Frederick II of Prussia leaderhead (3d-era-anim)

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Creation & Customization' started by CivArmy s. 1994, Mar 28, 2005.

  1. CivArmy s. 1994

    CivArmy s. 1994 Chieftain

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    Civilization: Prussia
    Bonuses: Militaristic and Industrious
    Title and leader: Kaiser Frederick II
    Best/shunned government: Monarchy and Fascism (Despotism)
    Aggression: 05 (too high)
    Cultural group: European
    Noun: Prussians
    Adjective: Prussian
    Colors: Black (Zulu) and Grey (Indians)
    UU: Hessian Mercenary
    Civilopedia entry: RACE_PRUSSIA



    Cities:
    Königsberg
    Potsdam
    Brandenburg
    Berlin
    Konigsberg
    Frankfurt
    Cologne
    Hannover
    Bonn
    Dortmund
    Magdeburg
    Torun
    Gumbinnen
    Goldap
    Osterode
    Kreuzburg
    Insterburg
    Feste Friedrich III
    Friedland
    Gross Karpowen
    Gross Warningken
    Gross Tromnau
    Hohenstein
    Lotzen
    Memel
    Nemmersdorf
    Neukirch
    Preussisch Eylau
    Preussisch Holland
    Almenhausen
    Allenburg
    Allenstein
    Liebstadt
    Rastenburg
    Tilsit
    Stalluponen
    Gross Friedrichberg
    Gross Leistenau
    Danziger Haupt
    Deutsch Krone
    Ebensee
    Elbing
    Feste Konig Wilhelm I
    Hammerstein
    Gross Wittenberg
    Lobau
    Mariensee
    Neustadt
    Preussisch Stargard
    Gross Lunau
    Thorn
    Marienwerder

    Military leaders:
    von Blucher
    Gneisenau
    von Scharnhorst
    von Bülow
    Kleist

    Scientific ones:
    Max Planck
    Heinrich Hertz
    Johannes Kepler
    Hans Geiger
    Fritz Haber

    Civilopedia:
    I found it in Firaxis Napoleon Europe scenario
    ^The rise of Prussia as a European power during the 18th century took many by surprise. Under the noble
    statesmanship of the “Great Elector” Frederick William, and military headsman Frederick the Great, Prussia
    expanded its holdings to include not only Berlin and a province east of Danzig, but Silesia which it wrested
    from Austria; Pomerania from the Swedes; and a choice strip of land from the Poles that connected East Prussia
    to Brandenburg. They also acquired Cleves-Geldres of the lower Rhine, Emden, Mark, and two duchies in southern
    Germany. Yet, despite these territorial gains, Prussia remained a relatively poor nation, whose resources were primarily dedicated to the betterment of its army.
    ^
    ^ During the French Revolution, Prussia tried to remain noncommittal. But by 1806, having lost much of its
    territories to a relentless Napoleon and his unwavering Imperial Guard, Prussia entered the Fourth Coalition
    and never looked back. Some badly needed military reforms helped bolster its power, and in 1815, the new
    Prussian army (under the enigmatic leadership of Gebhard von Blucher) helped the British bring a final
    end to Napoleon’s reign.

    Hessian Mercenary, the UU:
    Replaces Musketman, has two extra defensive points and cost 10 shields more.
     
  2. Corn Shucker

    Corn Shucker Great Khorn

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    I like it alot so far! Its very iron that you chose to do the Prussians, I was just about to request to have someone make Frederick II lol! Awesome!

    It looks like you've already chosen the Teutonic Knight for the UU... but if you decided to change... the Hessian Mercenary would be an awesome UU to use! I've always wanted a Hessian Merc. and also, since we discovered that you can trade military units i think it work well for that as well should someone choose to use it that way. Heres some pictures of it:



    (Guy on Right below)


    Thanks for makeing this awesome LH!!!!
     
  3. TopGun

    TopGun 258 kills

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    good start... thus far. I've always wanted King Friedrich II der Grosse for the Germans/Prussians... even though I like Bismarck alot. Keep it up!
     
  4. CivArmy s. 1994

    CivArmy s. 1994 Chieftain

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    I did the other eras, images in post number 01.
    @Corn Shucker, I can make the change of UU ;) if someone has another suggestion or support Teutonic Knight or Hessian Merc, please, post :)
     
  5. Ares de Borg

    Ares de Borg Norman Knight

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    I guess this is the discussion thread since there is no download. May I make a few suggestions, please?

    Ancient:
    I think his face should't be painted. The Germans mostly did not do so, that's more the job of the celts.

    Medieval:
    I think I'd prefer to see him either in chain mail (since this was the common armor) or in representative clothing.

    Industrial:
    Here is a picture of the "Alter Fritz".


    As you can see, he is very thin, has a dominant nose and big eyes. His "hair" is white.

    Modern:
    I don't like the green uniform, this makes him look like a south american guerillero. I`d prefer either a normal "business look" like a normal statesman or a general's uniform, like this:



    Ok, that's my five cents. Otherwise, you do great work! Keep on!
     
  6. CivArmy s. 1994

    CivArmy s. 1994 Chieftain

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    @Ares de Borgs, thanks, u gave me cool tips :) I removed the face paint in ancient era and change the uniform of the modern one, check the new view in 1st post ;) I have to change his hair color in the industrial era, but I have founded problems with his hair color in this era and can't turn it non-yellowish :( I continue trying. For the other eras I think it is good how they r now.
    BTW, I used another reference to make this LH, in this pic he looks like yonger and less thin




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    @friends: I need a bigger city list, anyone how can help me? This one that I have I found in Firaxis scenario about Napoleon.
     
  7. HolyEmperor

    HolyEmperor Now THIS is a Dromon!

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    Maybe that mercenary is better... There are too many units that are alternative to knight already... But the mercenary will be alternative for what? Rifleman? Infantry?
     
  8. Hrafnkell

    Hrafnkell Alheithinn

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    I love the changes, CivArmy. Ares gave good advice on the LH. I'm less sure of the Hessian mercs (which as an American I associate more with British hirelings during the War for American Independence, but I have nothing to offer as an alternative.
     
  9. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    That isnt ironic, it is just a coincidence. It would have been ironic if you were about to start a thread requesting that absolutely no one makes a frederic II lh ever, and then you saw this thread about the making of that lh :)

    "and isnt it ironic, dont you think" :lol:
     
  10. JuuL

    JuuL Creator of

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    I think the Hessian Mercenary is a good idea. Superior infantry was the reasan for the Prussian victory over Denmark in 1864.... maybe they should have better attack instead of better defense...
     
  11. Plotinus

    Plotinus Philosopher Administrator

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    No, that would still be just a coincidence. It would be ironic if Civ Army had said "I will never make a Frederick II leaderhead!" whilst manifestly doing so. Irony means saying one thing in order to imply the opposite, not unfortunate coincidence - that's why Alanis Morissette needs to be shot. Well, one reason, anyway.

    And I think this is a great-looking LH. There aren't enough seventeenth- and eighteenth-century leaders about, in my view - most of the "Industrial Age" era of the LHs put them in Victorian clothes.
     
  12. CivArmy s. 1994

    CivArmy s. 1994 Chieftain

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    First of all, thanks for all the comments fellows! The Hessian Mercenary looks like to be the best option for UU and I think the best unit that must be replaced is Rifleman, in spite of it is too advanced for this Hessian Mercenary. Bad that Firaxis didn't put a unit between the Musketeer and Rifleman in this evolution line :( I think the best power to this UU is has an extra deffensive point, cos this unit is used to defensive strategies and I think one extra offensive point could be less usefull ;)

    EDITED: was this unit done by some creator yet? I think Firaxis did a similar one in Conquests, but I can't choice this unit cos it could be not used in Vanilla and PTW.
     
  13. Corn Shucker

    Corn Shucker Great Khorn

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    Forgive me for mixing up Irony with coincidence :p.

    I like what you've done with the Ancient and Modern ages! Very nice, i think it fits in nicely.

    I think that the best use for the Hessian Merc. would be to replace the Musketman. The Musketeer (the french replacemen) was used from the mid 1600's to around the early/mid 1700's. The Hessian was also used around this time period, arriving in the late 1600's/early 1700's (edcuated guess) the Hessian mercenary was used by the prussians up and through the American Revolutionary War. I think the best use that we can get of of the Hessian Mercenary is A Musketman replacement with with an extra attack point (A3 D4 M1).

    Lookin good CivArmy! keep up the good work!
     
  14. Ares de Borg

    Ares de Borg Norman Knight

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    Very good update, thank you!

    I still like Fritz better when he was older. The "young Fritz" photo somewhat irritates me.:)

    I tried to make Fritz somewhat thinner (10%) myself, enlarged his eyes by 10% and added some wrinkles.

    What do you think?

     
  15. Corn Shucker

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    Lol I didnt notice that you posted your opinions on the usage of the Hessian Mercenary until i already posted mine lol. Anyway, It would work either way, whatever you want to do. I was just trying to come up with what I though was the best. The rifleman replacement with an extra defence would be fine! :D

    I've looked pretty well throughout the forums and haven't found this unit, don't think anyone's tryed makeing it. The one firax did in conquests-I think you're refering to one of the units in the Napolionic Europe Conquest-It's uniform somewhat similar, but none of the hats are relatively close to the Hessian Merc's hat (which is most of the time what was most well know about the soldier).
     
  16. CivArmy s. 1994

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    I think the changes will not change so much the LH and it could take time and other complications for the animation (in some frames the face could deform to the old form, it happened with me in the past and I'd export all the frames again, a process that takes hours). BTW, the image of your post is storaged in a site that I didn't know, I'm glad non civ players r also enjoying the creations :)


    @Corn Shucker: After I read your last two posts I decide change the replaced unit, now it will be Musketman and no more Rifleman. But I'll put the power "2+ deffensive and cost 10 shields more", cos this unit is used for defese, so, more offensive power is not so usefull and the power "1+ defese" is already used by the French UU.
     
  17. JuuL

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    Why should that stop you? The Hessian Mercenary could require Military Tradition... there is some empty space in that tech anyway (only gives two things, there is space for a third).
     
  18. CivArmy s. 1994

    CivArmy s. 1994 Chieftain

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    I don't like break the rules as the units evolution line when I'm doing a new civ :) I just break the rules when I do a scenario ou mods, there I add new units and change the evolution line, cos I think the Firaxis one could be a bit different. I know many people play civ with costumized unit lines, them people can add the Prussians and add the UU in the correct place ;)
     
  19. Corn Shucker

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    That sounds good CivArmy- Also with the increased shields, that will make them worth more for those who choose to make them mercenaries. I think that sounds like a good idea. And because Prussia was know for their advanced military techniques and equipment, it would make sense that they would have +2 Defense. I noted that the French Musketeer had a +1 defence advantage too, but I didn't think further than that lol.
     
  20. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Hm, actually this is wrong, Plotinus. If he has claimed that he would never make a said lh, and then went on to make it, that would just be a change of decision. An example of irony is certainly the one i gave, and i am sure of it.
    However: if he had claimed that he would never make a said lh, and you were basing something on his view, and were happy that he would never make that lh( for example because you so hated someone who would want that lh made) and THEN he decided to make it, that would be again ironic. In irony it is crucial that what has happened means something AGAINST someone.

    On second thought:

    I was thiking of the notion of "irony of luck", which is what i said.
    But, it is true, irony can just be about saying something and really meaning the opossite (brief moment of less than perfect access to the info in my brain there :lol: ). A good english example of (common) irony is the ussual english expression "brilliant", which can be meant as "stupid" etc.
    "Irony of luck" is a very common notion in greek ;)

    It makes sense too, if luck is defined as the sum of the actions of everyone else apart from you, together with the effects of your general environment, then it is ironic that those others+environment (=luck) appear to be something, but are really the opossite at the given time that irony of luck takes place ;)
     

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