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Free health care: Is it a handout, or a form of insurance?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Eukaryote, Jun 24, 2006.

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Is public health care a handout or a form of insurance?

  1. It's a form of insurance.

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  2. It's a handout.

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  3. It's a radioactive monkey!

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  1. Mastreditr111

    Mastreditr111 Prince

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    screw studies... i have seen the results with my OWN eyes... i have asked people, when i was on service trips to the city, what they would have done differently... they say "i should have worked harder... but i was getting everything i wanted for free"... these were people who lived in the city on welfare until they, or the children, or their spouses, were killed by the violence that breeds there. Studies can say ANYTHING you want them to, and i dont know who was responsible for this study or what they wanted it to say.

    EDIT: now having read part of the study, it confirms much of what i have said: our education system is a much better investment than welfare. The countries with high social mobility have good public education and grants... which i proposed as a way of phasing out welfare (food, housing, and educational vouchers) The social mobility is not due to the handouts they offer.
     
  2. dutchfire

    dutchfire Deity

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    @Hotpoint:
    Exactly what I meant.
     
  3. IglooDude

    IglooDude Enforcing Rule 34 Retired Moderator Supporter

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    Okay, replace "liberal" with "left-leaning statist socialist" or whatever term you would prefer to use.
     
  4. dutchfire

    dutchfire Deity

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    Liberal=for Liberty=few rules and laws
    But Amercans invented Social Liberalism, the governement making laws to make sure everyone can live a good live. But lawmaking is NOT Liberal.
     
  5. IglooDude

    IglooDude Enforcing Rule 34 Retired Moderator Supporter

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    :wallbash: Yes, we're in complete and utter agreement, given European political terminology.
     
  6. Mastreditr111

    Mastreditr111 Prince

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    yes the word has been twisted beyond all recognition... classical liberals are closest in position to liberatarians, i think, as the two major parties are both adopting elements of true liberalism and ignoring the other parts
     
  7. Paradigne

    Paradigne Emperor

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    I have NO idea how liberalism works in other countries, but in the US it is mostly socialism. Let the government take care of everything. It takes a 'village to raise a child'. I KNOW I can handle my money much better than the government can.

    I still think that conservatives TAKE money to run the government. Liberals LET YOU HAVE some money to conduct your own affairs...
     
  8. dutchfire

    dutchfire Deity

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    Off-topic: What I find weird is that in America, the country of liberalism, the Patriot act exists, giving the governement the power to do all sorts of dictator-like things, without even having to ask permission.
     
  9. spankey

    spankey Peachtree Warrior

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    Wrong: The Democrats controlled the House of Representatives until early 1995. They controlled it for over 40 years. They controlled the Senate for most of that time as well. The democrats had all three branches of government throughout most of the 60's, 1/2 of the 70's, both legislative bodies for 1/2 of the 80's, and complete control from 1992 through Jan 1995. They didn't legalize marijuana then either. The reason that marijuana is not legalized is that over 1/2 of all Americans (regardless of party) oppose it. How much does the Green party pull in on national elections, 2% ???
     
  10. dutchfire

    dutchfire Deity

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    (True) Liberal: Mind your own business, pay some tax, and the government only takes care of defence, police, fire-department, protection against floods and things like that.
    Socialist: Pay some more tax, and we'll make nice schools for the poor kids, and we'll give the poor some money so they can live properly.
     
  11. Mastreditr111

    Mastreditr111 Prince

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    about 60% of Americans oppose marijuana, and far, far, more oppose legalizing other drugs. as for the green party vote, i think 1.2% is that average over its existence, even worse than the libertarians
     
  12. Mastreditr111

    Mastreditr111 Prince

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    Dutch- your socialist is our liberal, your liberal is our conservative
     
  13. tomsnowman123

    tomsnowman123 Simple Liver

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    And back in the 1990's there wasn't much of a push for legalizing marijuana. I even said that one reason marijuana is banned is because "not all liberals support it yet." The push for legalizing it has increased over the past couple years I would say, that's why I said "hopefully one day, it will be legal." And I never said the Republican Party was in control in the 1990's, I simply stated that those who support legalizing marijuana tend to have more liberal views, like health care.
     
  14. MobBoss

    MobBoss Off-Topic Overlord

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    Thats bullcrap. I was once so poor the only thing I could afford to live off of was potatos and milk. I didnt buy beer...I didnt buy smokes. I bought food and paid for the basics to live off of.

    So, yes...I do expect the poor to sacrifice comforts. I sure as hell did to survive.
     
  15. Mastreditr111

    Mastreditr111 Prince

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    tomsnowman: but is there any reason to actually legalize it? unlike alcohol, where there are legitimate reasons to lower the drinking age and give parents a measure of control over their children's habits (namely, remove the sense of rebellion and give parents a chance to teach responsible use to their children) marijuana is capable of developing instant addiction, negating those two reasons in relation to it.
     
  16. Mastreditr111

    Mastreditr111 Prince

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    i understand that mobboss, but very few of the "poor" are actually that poor. they will waste money on things like that, and it will cost them. again, though, this is not opposition to the tax, just statement of fact
     
  17. Heretic_Cata

    Heretic_Cata We're gonna live forever

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    Free healthcare ? Not over here it's not. :mad:
     
  18. Mastreditr111

    Mastreditr111 Prince

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    thats a bad thing how?
     
  19. tomsnowman123

    tomsnowman123 Simple Liver

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    There are about 305,000 registered Green Party voters, compared to about 200,000 for the Libertarian Party. Liberatarians are fifth in voter registration nationally. Since 1996, when the Green Party started nominating Presidential candidates, the Green Party got more total votes in the three elections since then than the Libertarian Party.

    A little off-topic, I would say.


    Yes, marijuana has tons of medicinal purposes which are not allowed.
     
  20. Mastreditr111

    Mastreditr111 Prince

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    over all their existence, i mean, not just recently, and also at the polls, not registration, but u may be right anyway
     

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