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Free health care: Is it a handout, or a form of insurance?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Eukaryote, Jun 24, 2006.

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Is public health care a handout or a form of insurance?

  1. It's a form of insurance.

    62.5%
  2. It's a handout.

    29.7%
  3. It's a radioactive monkey!

    7.8%
  1. Fugitive Sisyphus

    Fugitive Sisyphus Escape Artist

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    I don't believe in it ergo someone has to enforce it.


    Yes, but the people work hard for the benefits of hard work. If they weren't greedy for these benefits, they wouldn't work (I don't think greed is a bad thing).
     
  2. Hotpoint

    Hotpoint Rome Treaty Legions

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    There is a major difference between the nationalising of the Healthcare and Industrial sectors. The latter, as you say, has not been successful when tried before and the dynamism of Free-Market competition clearly leads to more efficient companies. As regards the former however the reverse is true, in that Healthcare is one of the exceptions in that the least "Socialised" Healthcare system in the Industrial/Developed World is also the least Cost-Effective (and the gap is widening, healthcare cost inflation is higher in the US).

    Blindly following free-market theory, even when the facts indicate you should do otherwise in a given instance, is just as stupid as the Marxists putting their own theories on a pedestal. It's not the theoretical purity of the system that matters it's the results that matter.

    In terms of cost, and meeting the medical needs of the vast bulk of the population, the nationalised/socialised Healthcare Systems simply do the job better, whereas meanwhile, in terms of cost and meeting the material needs of the vast bulk of the population, the privatised/capitalist Industries simply do the job better there. Conclusion: Stuff the ideology and just run each sector of the economy in the most effective manner.
     
  3. MobBoss

    MobBoss Off-Topic Overlord

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    Sigh. I dont work hard because I am greedy. I could undoubtedly do something else and make more money than I am right now. But I dont. Why? Because I am needed where I am at right now and I help a lot of people. Its not all about the money...not all about the greed.
     
  4. Mr. Blonde

    Mr. Blonde Dr. techn.

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    You don´t have a VAT on the goods you purchase :confused:
     
  5. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    I'd think most countries avoid taxes on essentials - because it doesn't get more regressive than that.

    Clearly the free market system is not delivering when it comes to health care ... or is it? Where are all the advances coming from? Are the nationalised health care countries kicking out medical advances? They don't seem to be, because the insurance doesn't want to fit the bill for some new procedure of some older procedure is sufficient.

    I guess there are still advances ... the Edmonton Protocol for diabetes made a storm a couple years ago. And as the advances become mainstream, we encourage countries to update the services they provide.

    Quite simply, I want to balance good health AND increasing medical advances. Mainly because I want aging to be cured.
     
  6. Fugitive Sisyphus

    Fugitive Sisyphus Escape Artist

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    Good, I am glad. Could you please mail be a check for $1000? If you agree I'll give you my mailing address.



    My point is that you desire the things that money brings you. A car, a nice house, tv, etc. If you worked just as hard and didn't get these things (say because the government took most of your money for charity) would you not care because money is unimportant?

    Good. That means your among the greedy people instead of the extremely greedy people. Congratulations.

    Remember I split people into three groups. The greedy, the extremely greedy, and the completely altruistic. Everyone I know has some greed. You could prove me wrong of course if you can show that you are completely altruistic.
     
  7. Samson

    Samson Deity

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    I think they are. We in the UK have one of the only health care systems that is free at the point of delivery, and are definatly up there when it comes to medical reaserch and breakthroughs.
     

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